Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread David Cantrell
Timothy Knox wrote: Because some browsers (such as Firefox) and browser accelerators attempt to fetch the first few links on a page *before* the user clicks on them, so that clicking will be much faster. D'oh! Your acceleration just changed your settings. ;-) That is user error as far as I'm c

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread David Cantrell
Adam Atlas wrote: On 20 Apr 2007, at 16.14, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms, not links. (Eg. you have one for each action rather than a link, with a submit button as UI to trigger the action.) Ooh, I hate those.Hello slow web-application, please

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread Adam Atlas
On 20 Apr 2007, at 16.33, Timothy Knox wrote: Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 04:22:05PM -0400, Adam Atlas wrote: How's that any different from doing it with links, in terms of user interaction? If you really want to, you can even style a button to look exactly like a link.

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2007-04-20 at 15:43 -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: > Christ, that's hateful. How do you turn it off? If memory serves, you look at the explanation of the FasterFox plugin and then go tune everything it touches in the opposite direction. -Phil

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Apr 20, 2007, at 13:22, Adam Atlas wrote: On 20 Apr 2007, at 16.14, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms, not links. (Eg. you have one for each action rather than a link, with a submit button as UI to trigger the action.) Ooh, I hate those.He

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
Adam Atlas skribis 2007-04-20 16:22 (-0400): > >Ooh, I hate those.Hello slow web-application, please force me > >to click on your slow slow buttons a dozen times to change a few > >settings. > How's that any different from doing it with links, in terms of user > interaction? Yes, but th

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Peter da Silva
Because some browsers (such as Firefox) and browser accelerators attempt to fetch the first few links on a page *before* the user clicks on them, so that clicking will be much faster. D'oh! Your acceleration just changed your settings. ;-) Jesus Wept. What happens when the first link is somet

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Timothy Knox
Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 04:22:05PM -0400, Adam Atlas wrote: > > On 20 Apr 2007, at 16.14, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: > >>What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms, not links. > >>(Eg. you have one for each action rather than a link, with > >>a submit button as

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Adam Atlas
On 20 Apr 2007, at 16.14, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms, not links. (Eg. you have one for each action rather than a link, with a submit button as UI to trigger the action.) Ooh, I hate those.Hello slow web-application, please force me to c

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Apr 20, 2007, at 10:02 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * David Cantrell [2007-04-20 17:55]: FWIW, in my own interwebnet applications, I don't use radio buttons, I have links which the user clicks to immediately submit their choice to the server. GET implies that the client can't be held responsi

Re: [offlist] Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Patrick Quinn-Graham [2007-04-20 20:00]: > On 20-Apr-07, at 6:02 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > >What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms, not > >links. (Eg. you have one for each action rather than a > >link, with a submit button as UI to trigger the action.) > > You can achieve this

[offlist] Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Patrick Quinn-Graham
On 20-Apr-07, at 6:02 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * David Cantrell [2007-04-20 17:55]: FWIW, in my own interwebnet applications, I don't use radio buttons, I have links which the user clicks to immediately submit their choice to the server. What you want to do is use single-submit-button forms,

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Cantrell [2007-04-20 17:55]: > FWIW, in my own interwebnet applications, I don't use radio > buttons, I have links which the user clicks to immediately > submit their choice to the server. GET implies that the client can't be held responsible for whatever change on the server is caused by

Re: Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 20 Apr 2007, at 16:48, David Cantrell wrote: FWIW, in my own interwebnet applications, I don't use radio buttons, I have links which the user clicks to immediately submit their choice to the server. That's not very RESTful :) -- Andy Armstrong, hexten.net

Sourceforge: an apology (and Mailman: some hate)

2007-04-20 Thread David Cantrell
I have ranted several times about Sourceforget's customised mailman allowing non-subscribers to post to mailing lists despite being configured not to. Cos I was *sure* I'd turned that option on. Oops, it was turned off. I hate it when I'm the PEBCAK. Mailman is still hateful though. The user i