Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-03 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2008-01-02, at 18:21, Michael G Schwern wrote: demerphq wrote: Yet... I really don't want to see passwords, even insecure ones, accidentally. Hooray for SSH agent forwarding! Now somebody's going to tell me why that's hateful. Um. Let me think. Detached screen sessions? OK, weak, but

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-03 Thread Michael G Schwern
demerphq wrote: > Yet... I really don't want to see passwords, even insecure ones, accidentally. Hooray for SSH agent forwarding! Now somebody's going to tell me why that's hateful. -- If at first you don't succeed--you fail. -- "Portal" demo

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Peter da Silva
Yet... I really don't want to see passwords, even insecure ones, accidentally. xor them with "Squeamish Ossifrage".

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread demerphq
On 02/01/2008, Martin Ebourne wrote: > demerphq wrote: > > Its not a security thing IMO. Its a peace-of-mind thing. Any syadmin > > can easily *deliberately* find out a users password in such a system, > > cleartext or base64 or rot13. But what Base64 does that rot13 barely > > does which clearte

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Martin Ebourne
demerphq wrote: Its not a security thing IMO. Its a peace-of-mind thing. Any syadmin can easily *deliberately* find out a users password in such a system, cleartext or base64 or rot13. But what Base64 does that rot13 barely does which cleartext does not is prevent sysadmins from accidentally see

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread demerphq
On 02/01/2008, Martin Ebourne wrote: > b...@cpan.org wrote: > >> I say better clear text than rot-13. Unless it has passwords properly > >> encrypted with a master password, and associated session management (which > >> would be nice, but as far as I know no-one has implemented this for svn > >> y

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2008-01-02 at 12:12 +0100, b...@cpan.org wrote: > On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:56:27AM +, Martin Ebourne wrote: > > Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > >> Which is reasonably doable without the aid of tools, because you > >> can easily inspect these files: Subversion stores *everything*, > >> and th

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Martin Ebourne
b...@cpan.org wrote: I say better clear text than rot-13. Unless it has passwords properly encrypted with a master password, and associated session management (which would be nice, but as far as I know no-one has implemented this for svn yet), clear text seems to be the best choice. Firefox and

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread book
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:56:27AM +, Martin Ebourne wrote: > Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: >> Which is reasonably doable without the aid of tools, because you >> can easily inspect these files: Subversion stores *everything*, >> and that includes the passwords, in pure, untarnished clear text. >

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2008-01-02 at 11:32 +0100, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > Which is reasonably doable without the aid of tools, because you > can easily inspect these files: Subversion stores *everything*, > and that includes the passwords, in pure, untarnished clear text. > > A marvel. > > That anyone ever thou

Re: Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Martin Ebourne
Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: Which is reasonably doable without the aid of tools, because you can easily inspect these files: Subversion stores *everything*, and that includes the passwords, in pure, untarnished clear text. I say better clear text than rot-13. Unless it has passwords properly

Subversion and credentials

2008-01-02 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
If you stopped reading after the first word in the subject, you took a pretty sensible decision. Anyway, so: Subversion only stores auth credentials you supply on the command line if it used them successfully. If the server refused a request for some reason, it won't store the credentials. If the