Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-03-16 Thread Kevin Rodgers
David Combs wrote: > ""? "?". > > Why the (shows my age, no?) didn't > "they" (rms?) call them pageDown and pageUp? > > Yeah, maybe those two words, prior and next, are defined > somewhere in the gnu-emacs manual, but c'm on, give me a break! As far as I can tell, the XK_Page_Up and XK_Page_Down

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-03-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> ""? "?". > Why the (shows my age, no?) didn't > "they" (rms?) call them pageDown and pageUp? That's how X11 calls the key (except that Emacs downcases then event name). Stefan ___ Help-gnu-emacs mailing list Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://l

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-03-16 Thread David Combs
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think the PageUp/PageDown keys are more intuitive than the wheel. >And guess what C-PageUp and C-PageDown do in Emacs! Well, THANK YOU FOR THAT! I never would have known it but for your two lines there! No? But

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-28 Thread Kevin Rodgers
Klaus Straubinger wrote: > Maybe you can forward this information to the correct place. DIY: If you're using CVS Emacs, `M-x report-emacs-bug'; otherwise just send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kevin Rodgers ___ Help-gnu-emacs mailing list Help-gnu-emacs@g

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread Stefan Daschek
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs distribution available >> at http://nqmacs.sourceforge.net/. > > Actually, the binary on nqmacs is quite outdated. Whoever maintains > that should probably release a newer binary ASAP. New binaries are p

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread David Kastrup
nfreimann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Hansen wrote: > >>Is it that difficult to ./configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk ? > > David, imagine for a moment, that there are *some* users out there > who are not familiar with "C" development, having not all > development libraries installed, or are ot

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread David Hansen
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:05:43 +0100 nfreimann wrote: > David Hansen wrote: > >> >> >>Is it that difficult to ./configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk ? >> > David, imagine for a moment, that there are *some* users out there who > are not familiar with "C" development, having not all development > librari

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: nfreimann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:09:02 +0100 > > latest release is 21.3.50.1-20050130 dated to January 30ths, 2005, > what is pretty recent. Eli you should visit nqemacs site more > frequently. Given that they update the binary once in about 6 months, and even the

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread nfreimann
David Hansen wrote: Is it that difficult to ./configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk ? David, imagine for a moment, that there are *some* users out there who are not familiar with "C" development, having not all development libraries installed, or are otherwise unwilling doing time consuming builds.

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread David Hansen
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:13:20 +0100 (CET) nfreimann wrote: > Why not supporting a binary cvs gtk2-emacs > for linux at ftp.gnu or sourceforge.net? Whats the > problem with that? Is it that difficult to ./configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk ? David ___ Help-g

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread nfreimann
>Actually, the binary on nqmacs is quite outdated. Whoever maintains >that should probably release a newer binary ASAP. latest release is 21.3.50.1-20050130 dated to January 30ths, 2005, what is pretty recent. Eli you should visit nqemacs site more frequently. -- Regards -NF _

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:40:38 +0100 > > > There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs > > distribution available at > > http://nqmacs.sourceforge.net/. Its the best windows > > emacs ever. > > Unfortunately, this release "still" uses the old-style scrollb

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:13:20 +0100 (CET) > From: nfreimann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Clearly spoken, emacs without gkt and advanced windows support is > outdated. Its looks anachronistic and behaves crippled People who are unhappy with the rate of Emacs releases (and with pace of Emacs develo

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-26 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Unfortunately, this release "still" uses the old-style > scrollbar. What we want is a Windows XP scrollbar in Windows XP. well, the first step is to know yourself. that's good. now you get to look at the scenery to see what's outside yourself. in the end, o

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On lör, 2005-02-26 at 02:17 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > nfreimann wrote: >> >> >> >> There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs >> >> distribution available at >> >> http://nqmacs.sourceforge.net/. Its

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread August
On lÃr, 2005-02-26 at 01:13 +0100, nfreimann wrote: > --- August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > With "the standard Emacs release" I mean the non-CVS > > version. Will this > > GUI support make it to the next release? > > cvs emacs offers gkt and advanced windows support > since more than an

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread August
On lÃr, 2005-02-26 at 02:17 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > nfreimann wrote: > >> > >> There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs > >> distribution available at > >> http://nqmacs.sourceforge.net/. Its the best windows > >> emacs ever. Why not su

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > nfreimann wrote: >> >> There is a excellent windows binary cvs emacs >> distribution available at >> http://nqmacs.sourceforge.net/. Its the best windows >> emacs ever. Why not supporting a binary cvs gtk2-emacs >> for linux at ftp.gnu or sourceforge.

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
nfreimann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> With "the standard Emacs release" I mean the non-CVS >> version. Will this >> GUI support make it to the next release? > > cvs emacs offers gkt and advanced windows support > since more than an year. Therefore I

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread Hendrik Sattler
nfreimann wrote: > --- August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> With "the standard Emacs release" I mean the non-CVS >> version. Will this >> GUI support make it to the next release? > > cvs emacs offers gkt and advanced windows support > since more than an year. Therefore I wonder that the > n

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread nfreimann
--- August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > With "the standard Emacs release" I mean the non-CVS > version. Will this > GUI support make it to the next release? cvs emacs offers gkt and advanced windows support since more than an year. Therefore I wonder that the new 21.4 does not support gtk. Cl

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread August
On fre, 2005-02-25 at 19:36 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On fre, 2005-02-25 at 15:18 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > > >> Athena does not mix with Gtk, and Athena menus and dialogs suck > >> royally. > > > > I think that if the standard Emacs release suppo

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On fre, 2005-02-25 at 15:18 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Athena does not mix with Gtk, and Athena menus and dialogs suck >> royally. > > I think that if the standard Emacs release supported a native look > and feel of the menu bar and the scrollbar on the m

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread August
On fre, 2005-02-25 at 15:18 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> You'll probably scream out in horror, but I use > >> --with-gtk --without-toolkit-scroll-bars > >> for my version of Emacs, with a few X resources to make the default > >> scroll bars somewh

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread David Kastrup
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You'll probably scream out in horror, but I use >> --with-gtk --without-toolkit-scroll-bars >> for my version of Emacs, with a few X resources to make the default >> scroll bars somewhat broader and nicer in color. > > Why Gtk? Because the menus are _

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> You'll probably scream out in horror, but I use > --with-gtk --without-toolkit-scroll-bars > for my version of Emacs, with a few X resources to make the default > scroll bars somewhat broader and nicer in color. Why Gtk? With Athena, you'd get a nicer looking Xaw3d scrollbar (unless your Xaw3d

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Lee Sau Dan wrote: >> "Hendrik" == Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hendrik> Mouse wheels are a great invention. > > A great invention to cause damage to the fine muscles in the hand? Depends on the hand, I guess. Small mouse, big hand is surely not the best solution. >

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Lee Sau Dan
> "Hendrik" == Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hendrik> Mouse wheels are a great invention. A great invention to cause damage to the fine muscles in the hand? Hendrik> Instead ofmouse1/mouse2 to scroll,you use Hendrik> scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread August
On tor, 2005-02-24 at 11:25 +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > Am 24.02.2005 um 01:44 schrieb August: > > > How (exactly) do I download and compile the developer version of Emacs? > > I have no experience with CVS. > > It's not only this (http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs): to make > this CVS

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread David Kastrup
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> David Kastrup wrote: >>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars suck. To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Hendrik Sattler
David Kastrup wrote: > Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars >>> suck. >>> >>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >>> mouse.  I can't control the size of the move except b

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread David Kastrup
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars >> suck. >> >> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >> mouse.  I can't control the size of the move except by dragging (a >> recipe for RSI).

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Hendrik Sattler
David Kastrup wrote: > And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars > suck. > > To change the direction of moving, I have to move the mouse.  I can't > control the size of the move except by dragging (a recipe for RSI). > When scrolling in one direction repeatedly, the momen

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread David Kastrup
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On tor, 2005-02-24 at 00:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and >> > menubar? I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the >> > `--with-x-toolkit' option, but i

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 24.02.2005 um 01:44 schrieb August: How (exactly) do I download and compile the developer version of Emacs? I have no experience with CVS. It's not only this (http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs): to make this CVS Emacs it's not enough to invoke make, but you have to tell it 'make bootstr

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-24 Thread Hendrik Sattler
August wrote: > On tor, 2005-02-24 at 00:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and menubar? >> > I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the `--with-x-toolkit' >> > option, but it doesn't work. >> >>

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-23 Thread August
On tor, 2005-02-24 at 00:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and menubar? > > I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the `--with-x-toolkit' > > option, but it doesn't work. > > It wouldn't. You need

Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-23 Thread David Kastrup
August <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and menubar? > I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the `--with-x-toolkit' > option, but it doesn't work. It wouldn't. You need a developer version of Emacs to compile for GTK. -- David Kastrup, K

Compiling Emacs with GTK

2005-02-23 Thread August
Can I compile Emacs so that it uses GTK style scrollbar and menubar? I have tried to configure Emacs 21.3 with the `--with-x-toolkit' option, but it doesn't work. $ ./configure --with-x-toolkit=gtk loading cache ./config.cache configure: error: `--with-x-toolkit=gtk' is invalid\; this option's val