On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
During my first encounter with GuixSD, I could not connect to the Internet for reasons that puzzled me, and I could not find any mention of it in the manual either. At first I assumed I had done something wrong with the setup. I had tried to run wpa_supplicant manually, like I often do on other

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Oleg Pykhalov
Hello Pierre, Pierre Neidhardt writes: […] > I don't think any of this is mentioned at all in the manual: I believe > something so essential should be very explicitly documented. > > I suggest we add some examples to the Installation info page, for instance: > >> nmcli device wifi >> sudo nmcli

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Devan Carpenter writes: > Oleg Pykhalov transcribed 1.8K bytes: > >> We could pick a ‘nmtui’ program as we pick ‘cfdisk’ instead of ‘fdisk’. > > +1 Is nmtui on the install image as well? -- Pierre Neidhardt Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum -- "I think that I think, therefore I think that I am.

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Devan Carpenter writes: >> Is nmtui on the install image as well? > > I'm not sure. We should consider adding it, if not. I find nmcli well documented (nmcli help ...) and convenient to use with completion. Besides it works with Eshell! :) (Which is much more convenient for copy-pasting, amo

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Devan Carpenter
Oleg Pykhalov transcribed 1.8K bytes: > […] > > > Comments? > > We could pick a ‘nmtui’ program as we pick ‘cfdisk’ instead of ‘fdisk’. +1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-11 Thread Devan Carpenter
Pierre Neidhardt transcribed 1.1K bytes: > > Devan Carpenter writes: > > > Oleg Pykhalov transcribed 1.8K bytes: > > > >> We could pick a ‘nmtui’ program as we pick ‘cfdisk’ instead of ‘fdisk’. > > > > +1 > > Is nmtui on the install image as well? I'm not sure. We should consider adding it,

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-12 Thread Chris Marusich
Pierre Neidhardt writes: > During my first encounter with GuixSD, I could not connect to the > Internet for reasons that puzzled me, and I could not find any mention > of it in the manual either. > > At first I assumed I had done something wrong with the setup. > > I had tried to run wpa_supplica

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
As far as I can remember, the documentation example did not work for me. I think it is because I had built a custom image on which nmcli was running because the network-manager service was automatically started, unbeknownst to me. Beyond the installation process, I think my example is also relev

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Nils Gillmann
Devan Carpenter transcribed 1.4K bytes: > Pierre Neidhardt transcribed 1.1K bytes: > > > > Devan Carpenter writes: > > > > > Oleg Pykhalov transcribed 1.8K bytes: > > > > > >> We could pick a ‘nmtui’ program as we pick ‘cfdisk’ instead of ‘fdisk’. > > > > > > +1 > > > > Is nmtui on the install

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread swedebugia
On May 13, 2018 9:26:14 AM GMT+02:00, Nils Gillmann wrote: ... > >Gentoo has a neat little tool in their install image. >net-setup detects cards and prompts you for passwords etc. >https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/livecd-tools.git/tree/net-setup I saw no license declarations in those files or i

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Nils Gillmann
swedebugia transcribed 391 bytes: > > > On May 13, 2018 9:26:14 AM GMT+02:00, Nils Gillmann > wrote: > ... > > > >Gentoo has a neat little tool in their install image. > >net-setup detects cards and prompts you for passwords etc. > >https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/livecd-tools.git/tree/net-setu

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Nils Gillmann
Nils Gillmann transcribed 603 bytes: > swedebugia transcribed 391 bytes: > > > > > > On May 13, 2018 9:26:14 AM GMT+02:00, Nils Gillmann > > wrote: > > ... > > > > > >Gentoo has a neat little tool in their install image. > > >net-setup detects cards and prompts you for passwords etc. > > >http

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Chris Marusich
Pierre Neidhardt writes: > As far as I can remember, the documentation example did not work for me. > > I think it is because I had built a custom image on which nmcli was > running because the network-manager service was automatically started, > unbeknownst to me. > > Beyond the installation pro

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-13 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
You are very true, and while the manual hints at lightweight-desktop.scm, it does not go any further with respect to giving an outlook of what to expect from it: which services, which programs, etc. With little Scheme code the experienced users can investigate that by themselves, but it's not qui

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-22 Thread swedebugia
On 2018-05-13 21:21, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: You are very true, and while the manual hints at lightweight-desktop.scm, it does not go any further with respect to giving an outlook of what to expect from it: which services, which programs, etc. With little Scheme code the experienced users can in

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-22 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
swedebugia writes: > Perhaps a new guix command is needed for this e.g.: > > % guix show %default-services I like this! -- Pierre Neidhardt signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-23 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, swedebugia skribis: > Perhaps a new guix command is needed for this e.g.: > > % guix show %default-services > > getty  | A service that serves tty > > cups       | Printing service that enables printing ‘guix system search’ should help a bit, but it doesn’t show the v

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-23 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Ludovic Courtès writes: > If you’re using Emacs, the latest version of Emacs-Guix has this new > ‘guix-default-services’ command that does exactly what you’re > suggesting. It's great but it's not obvious enough for newcomers in my opinion. We need something in the manual that makes explicit w

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-23 Thread swedebugia
On May 23, 2018 5:45:53 PM GMT+02:00, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > >Ludovic Courtès writes: > >> If you’re using Emacs, the latest version of Emacs-Guix has this new >> ‘guix-default-services’ command that does exactly what you’re >> suggesting. > >It's great but it's not obvious enough for newco

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-24 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Pierre Neidhardt skribis: > Ludovic Courtès writes: > >> If you’re using Emacs, the latest version of Emacs-Guix has this new >> ‘guix-default-services’ command that does exactly what you’re >> suggesting. > > It's great but it's not obvious enough for newcomers in my opinion. Sure. So there’s

Re: On network management and documenting nmcli

2018-05-24 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Perhaps we need another command, like ‘guix system show’, which would > list the services used by a particular config? Thoughts? I like it, I think it's more relevant in terms of user interface than what Swedebugia suggest with 'guix show %desktop-services', because i