Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Robert Marlow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm... I keep reading over and over and I don't see how my idea doesn't > > work... maybe an example and you can show me where it is flawed. > > > > say a file begins with the permissions following: > > > > rwxr-xr-xr-x > > > > ie, the last 3 b

Re: Formal methods?

2000-12-01 Thread Jason S. Moore
Well, this is a little off subject but oh well :) There are people that have been preaching about formal methods for 20 years already and it just hasn't happened. Isn't it a bit presumptious to say that it will only take another 20 years for people to see the 'light'. Also comparing software en

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Ivan Jager
Neal H Walfield wrote: > > > > > IMHO, the best solution would be to drop the last set of permissions and > > > > port the ACL patch for Linux from http://acl.bestbits.at/ :) How hard > > > > would that be? > > The issue here is that you have admitted to knowing nothing about either of > them: w

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Neal H Walfield
> > > IMHO, the best solution would be to drop the last set of permissions and > > > port the ACL patch for Linux from http://acl.bestbits.at/ :) How hard > > > would that be? The issue here is that you have admitted to knowing nothing about either of them: who are you then to say what is better

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Ivan Jager
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:14:47PM -0300, Ivan Jager wrote: > > IMHO, the best solution would be to drop the last set of permissions and > > port the ACL patch for Linux from http://acl.bestbits.at/ :) How hard > > would that be? > > Show us. If you mean you want me

Re: Formal methods?

2000-12-01 Thread Atle
David Welch wrote: > > > I don't know about VDM or B, but Z isn't designed to specify concurrent > programs. How will you handle this? I am not sure yet, I haven't even tried a 'test' case. Currenty, I am going through and consolidating what I know so far about how to specify systems in general,

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Ivan Jager
To be honest, I just heard about that patch a few days ago. I havn't even tried it yet. I hope is isn't to specific to Linux. Robert Marlow wrote: > Actually I discussed this whole permissions thing with Jim Meyering and > that's what he suggested. I haven't looked further into it yet though. Do

Re: Shared-Memory for the Hurd?

2000-12-01 Thread OKUJI Yoshinori
From: Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Shared-Memory for the Hurd? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:06:11 +0100 > I don't know why Neal says libtrivfs doesn't fit the job, but I never tried > to provide a treefs with libtrivfs. There is also libnetfs, which is also > used by non-networke

Re: Shared-Memory for the Hurd?

2000-12-01 Thread OKUJI Yoshinori
From: Neal H Walfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Shared-Memory for the Hurd? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:56:49 -0500 > * Getting a task's task port would likely have to be done by > requesting it from the task itself (Correct me if I am wrong, > however, I do not think that it c

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:14:47PM -0300, Ivan Jager wrote: > IMHO, the best solution would be to drop the last set of permissions and > port the ACL patch for Linux from http://acl.bestbits.at/ :) How hard > would that be? Show us. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.deb

Re: Formal methods?

2000-12-01 Thread David Welch
On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Atle wrote: > > In February I will take a course about large projects, with an OS as a > case study. There is one guy, teacher of formal methods, Georges > Mariano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who will specify Linux in Z or B, > and with some help I might have a go at a Hurd subsystem

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Robert Marlow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually I discussed this whole permissions thing with Jim Meyering and that's what he suggested. I haven't looked further into it yet though. Do you know much about ACL? It's a completely new concept to me (actually, this whole thing's new but I gott

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Ivan Jager
IMHO, the best solution would be to drop the last set of permissions and port the ACL patch for Linux from http://acl.bestbits.at/ :) How hard would that be? Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:05:38PM +0800, Robert Marlow wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash

Formal methods?

2000-12-01 Thread Atle
Hello! Keeping quiet for a while, I feel it is time to ask (again?): What is the general attitude toward using formal methods (VDM-SL, Z, ...) in the development of parts of the system? I guess you are all aware that in 20 years, no software will be built without formal methods, just like nobody

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:05:38PM +0800, Robert Marlow wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm... I keep reading over and over and I don't see how my idea doesn't > work... maybe an example and you can show me where it is flawed. > > say a file begins with the permissio

Re: Shared-Memory for the Hurd?

2000-12-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 06:42:15AM +0100, Farid Hajji wrote: > > To conclude, the shm server would live in, e.g. /servers/shm. > > Inheriting from libtreefs or libdiskfs seems like a good idea > > (enabling you to expose the maps in that directory). Using trivfs > > is a bad i

Re: 4th set of permission bits?

2000-12-01 Thread Robert Marlow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hmm... I keep reading over and over and I don't see how my idea doesn't work... maybe an example and you can show me where it is flawed. say a file begins with the permissions following: rwxr-xr-xr-x ie, the last 3 bits for the non logged-in user i