Re: If QNX is successful, why NOT GNU Microkernels

2004-01-22 Thread Budi Rahardjo
>Mach has some issues that seem to make it intrinsically slow[1], >Hurd has its own issues on top of it that makes it even worse[2], ... True. But I am still interested in GNU/Hurd because: - hardware is getting faster all the time (without us doing anything) - there will be more people wi

Re: Hurd Cross Reference updated

2004-01-22 Thread Marco Gerards
Patrick Strasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ognyan Kulev wrote: > > > Patrick Strasser wrote: > > Given that GNUMach 1 is "resurrected", better (1) replace GNUMach 2 > > with GNUMach 1 and (2) put GNUMach 2 and Savannah OSKit in separate > > place, but referencing each other. > > I think I wi

Re: If QNX is successful, why NOT GNU Microkernels

2004-01-22 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The gnu.org Hurd page is pityful in that aspect, all the features it cites are covered by current monolithic kernels. The Hurd on L4 page boils down to "L4 is better than Mach" (well _duh_), and half its "Related item" links are dead. If you have _constructive_ criticism about the web

Re: Hurd Cross Reference updated

2004-01-22 Thread Patrick Strasser
Ognyan Kulev wrote: Patrick Strasser wrote: Given that GNUMach 1 is "resurrected", better (1) replace GNUMach 2 with GNUMach 1 and (2) put GNUMach 2 and Savannah OSKit in separate place, but referencing each other. I think I will do it. Right, Oskit is needed as well... Patrick -- Engineers mot

Re: If QNX is successful, why NOT GNU Microkernels

2004-01-22 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:07:26PM +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > Security is essentially dependant on userspace. And frankly the linux > and bsd kernels have been way more reviewed in that area, so I'd trust > them more. The security model of the translators in presence of crons > runs from pr

Re: If QNX is successful, why NOT GNU Microkernels

2004-01-22 Thread Niels Möller
Olivier Galibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Fixing it must be fun though, I'll have to look up the proposed > solutions. Comparing with the linux syscall speeds will be _tough_. I think the cost of an L4 ipc between address spaces is on the order of a few hundred cycles. Then there are the ef

Re: If QNX is successful, why NOT GNU Microkernels

2004-01-22 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:27:53PM +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > [1] streaming on syscalls, no cache management, heavy tasks, cthreads, > heavy locks... There are certainly some issues within that scope, like cache management, which however _must_ be solved radically different in the Hurd d

Re: Hurd Cross Reference updated

2004-01-22 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Patrick Strasser wrote: Has anyone a good idea to get gnumach-1-branch integrated as well? If I put it besides gnumach-1.9 every reference that occurs in both will triggger a selection, wich is horribly confusing and makes source code browsing much less usefull. Would it be wise to establish a s

Re: TJRPM, the masters head

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