Re: [hibernate-dev] Sybase BLOB loading errors

2013-07-11 Thread Brett Meyer
Hey Sanne, https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-7584 might be what you're looking for -- that should take care of it, I believe. Brett Meyer Red Hat Software Engineer, Hibernate - Original Message - From: "Strong Liu" To: "Sanne Grinovero" Cc: "Hibernate" Sent: Wednesday, July 1

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate ORM OSGi in InfoQ

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Ebersole
Nice. You should add it to g+ too On Jul 11, 2013 2:10 PM, "Brett Meyer" wrote: > If anyone's interested in the recent Hibernate ORM OSGi efforts, there's a > write-up in InfoQ today: > > http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/07/hibernate-osgi > > Brett Meyer > Red Hat Software Engineer, Hibernate > >

[hibernate-dev] Hibernate ORM OSGi in InfoQ

2013-07-11 Thread Brett Meyer
If anyone's interested in the recent Hibernate ORM OSGi efforts, there's a write-up in InfoQ today: http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/07/hibernate-osgi Brett Meyer Red Hat Software Engineer, Hibernate ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jb

[hibernate-dev] IRC Developer Meeting - 7/11

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Ebersole
Today we discussed Integrators, mapping fetch strategies in the new metamodel and wakeboarding amongst other topics :) [11:35] Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 16:07:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) [11:35] Minutes: http://transcripts.jboss.org/mee

Re: [hibernate-dev] Deprecating configurability of "hibernate.search.worker.scope" ?

2013-07-11 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On 11 July 2013 15:29, Hardy Ferentschik wrote: > I find them confusing as well and cannot thing of an actual use case. > I assume you are removing the hibernate.search.worker.* settings as well, > right? Partly: we still need the options which apply to our "one and only" implementation, the Tra

Re: [hibernate-dev] Deprecating configurability of "hibernate.search.worker.scope" ?

2013-07-11 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On 11 July 2013 15:40, Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > Fine by me, one of those brilliant flexibility points that did not reach > its public. Let's call it succès d'estime :) who knows, maybe it's so successful and works so well that nobody ever complained :-) I guess we'll find out when removing it.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Deprecating configurability of "hibernate.search.worker.scope" ?

2013-07-11 Thread Emmanuel Bernard
Fine by me, one of those brilliant flexibility points that did not reach its public. Let's call it succès d'estime :) On Thu 2013-07-11 15:04, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > I'm wondering if this property is really useful. Someone has a > practical example in which he would need it? > > http://docs.jbo

[hibernate-dev] Deprecating configurability of "hibernate.search.worker.scope" ?

2013-07-11 Thread Sanne Grinovero
I'm wondering if this property is really useful. Someone has a practical example in which he would need it? http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/search/4.3/reference/en-US/html_single/#table-worker-configuration I'm tempted to deprecate it and remove the description from the documentation as so far I'

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Emmanuel Bernard
On Thu 2013-07-11 14:37, Hardy Ferentschik wrote: > > On 11 Jan 2013, at 12:18 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > > > Here is the thing, we need to also need to start talking retention setting > > of the annotation. > > I think you were suggesting source retention. This means that the > > annotation

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
On 11 Jan 2013, at 12:30 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > I think hovering over a method I want to use in my IDE and seeing it is > annotated with @Incubating gives me that information much faster than going > to a wiki or online docs. would you get that out of the box? > The latter also doesn't

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
On 11 Jan 2013, at 12:18 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > Here is the thing, we need to also need to start talking retention setting of > the annotation. > I think you were suggesting source retention. This means that the annotation > is only in the > source. That means the IDE needs to be linked t

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Gunnar Morling
2013/7/11 Hardy Ferentschik > > On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:07 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > > > 2013/7/10 Steve Ebersole > > > >> http://www.gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/feature_lifecycle.html > > > > > > Thanks for the link. I like their approach of explicitly documenting this > > kind of thing.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Gunnar Morling
2013/7/11 Sanne Grinovero > Indeed in my previous comment about bundling it in a common jar I was > assuming the retention would have been at source level. > > Hardy suggested we could keep it even at runtime.. indeed that could > open the path for several kinds of diagnostics and reporting. I gu

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Gunnar Morling
2013/7/11 Hardy Ferentschik > > On 10 Jan 2013, at 5:48 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > > > So basically we're looking for a way to inform the user and say "it's ok > to > > use this API, but be prepared to changes in the future". One way to do > this > > is documentation, i.e. prose or a custom Jav

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Sanne Grinovero
Indeed in my previous comment about bundling it in a common jar I was assuming the retention would have been at source level. Hardy suggested we could keep it even at runtime.. indeed that could open the path for several kinds of diagnostics and reporting. I guess there is no downside? I don't exp

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
On 10 Jan 2013, at 11:07 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > 2013/7/10 Steve Ebersole > >> http://www.gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/feature_lifecycle.html > > > Thanks for the link. I like their approach of explicitly documenting this > kind of thing. I think we might have to differentiate here

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
On 10 Jan 2013, at 6:13 PM, Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > I remember a few discussion where something like that has been > contemplated. One thing that made us not do it AFAIR is that we would > need some kind of shared project to host this across ORM, OGM, SEARCH > etc. In the past we have deemed i

Re: [hibernate-dev] Marking API members as incubating

2013-07-11 Thread Hardy Ferentschik
On 10 Jan 2013, at 5:48 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > So basically we're looking for a way to inform the user and say "it's ok to > use this API, but be prepared to changes in the future". One way to do this > is documentation, i.e. prose or a custom JavaDoc tag such as @experimental. > This has b