Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2019-01-16 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 12:55, Gunnar Morling wrote: > > Does anyone know whether/how I could export all my existing chat logs > from HipChat? I'd like to keep a copy esp. of all 1:1 chats I had, if > that's possible. Copy & Paste ? Such a powerful tool :) If you're really lazy you could file a

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2019-01-16 Thread Gunnar Morling
Does anyone know whether/how I could export all my existing chat logs from HipChat? I'd like to keep a copy esp. of all 1:1 chats I had, if that's possible. Thanks for any hints, --Gunnar Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 17:03 Uhr schrieb Yoann Rodiere : > > > Hey wait a second :) You invited us to try

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Yoann Rodiere
> Hey wait a second :) You invited us to try Gitter. That's fine but we > never decided we're migrating to Gitter. Sure. What I meant was that we are *de facto* done migrating to gitter. Not that we meant it, but almost everyone is there already and almost no one is on HipChat. I wouldn't expect

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Steve Ebersole
I am never on HipChat at this point. So don't expect any important matters to be discussed there ;) On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:08 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 10:25, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > > > > You also need to use ctrl+enter to send a message, the default enter > is a

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 10:25, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > > You also need to use ctrl+enter to send a message, the default enter is a > new line in your message > > There's a checkbox to change that, and its value is persisted, so you only > have to tick it once. It's located just beside the "Send"

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Steve Ebersole
If it helps, Guillaume, the desktop client made all the difference for me. And I hated the idea of moving to Gitter based on just the web client. On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:25 AM Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > You also need to use ctrl+enter to send a message, the default enter is a > new line in your

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Radim Vansa
On 12/06/2018 10:40 AM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > So, I'm using Zulip right now on a daily basis. > > I maintain my first impression that it's really not user friendly. > > The fact that you are required to create topics for discussions Why is creating a new topic (=typing three extra words) an

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Yoann Rodiere
> You also need to use ctrl+enter to send a message, the default enter is a new line in your message There's a checkbox to change that, and its value is persisted, so you only have to tick it once. It's located just beside the "Send" button, I'm sure you saw it :) But apart from that, yes, I

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Guillaume Smet
So, I'm using Zulip right now on a daily basis. I maintain my first impression that it's really not user friendly. The fact that you are required to create topics for discussions (or find a suitable topic in a list of a gazillion topics previously created, obviously without a search engine where

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-06 Thread Christian Beikov
I'm fine with it. Am 06.12.2018 um 08:52 schrieb Yoann Rodiere: > The WildFly team is moving from Slack to Zulip, because Zulip seems to be > the only solution that is free, provides unlimited history, and allows > unlimited users even in private rooms (for OSS projects, at least). Gitter > has

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-12-05 Thread Yoann Rodiere
The WildFly team is moving from Slack to Zulip, because Zulip seems to be the only solution that is free, provides unlimited history, and allows unlimited users even in private rooms (for OSS projects, at least). Gitter has all that, except unlimited users, as we are limited to 25 people per

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-21 Thread Yoann Rodiere
On top of not being able to add more than 25 people to a private room, there's another limitation of Gitter that Fabio just noticed: the chat history for 1-to-1 conversations is very limited. In our case, we can only see 2 days back, and there's no concept of archives like there is in rooms.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Yoann Rodiere
> Assuming the new chat platform takes off, there's a risk it might be too successful as well Ok. Well, I guess we'll see. As I mentioned above, I don't think forcing people to have a GitHub account will be very effective, but I can't suggest a perfect solution either. Bots answering with a few

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Steve Ebersole
For me its not so much about "the right kind of people". More just accountability. But if some form of login in needed to use Gitter, that's enough for me. Sounded like the other option was "allow anonymous", which I wanted to avoid. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:41 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: >

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 17:27, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > I don't see why we should force people to have a GitHub account, considering > there are other means of logging into Gitter. Ok. > > As to getting the right type of people, I'm not sure it's relevant. Most > people are likely to have one,

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Yoann Rodiere
I don't see why we should force people to have a GitHub account, considering there are other means of logging into Gitter. As to getting the right type of people, I'm not sure it's relevant. Most people are likely to have one, and those who don't are likely to not have one for political reasons

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 16:02, Steve Ebersole wrote: > > What is it a conscious decision to not require a GitHub account to join these > rooms? I just noticed that is a toggle-option in the room's settings also. I don't remember. We created these rooms as an experiment in 2014.. Yoann created

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Sanne Grinovero
The easy way to install Gitter natively on Fedora: > flatpak install flathub im.gitter.Gitter Or you can do it via browser: Click on the main link here, then open and confirm install: https://flatpak.org/setup/Fedora/ Same again on: https://flathub.org/apps/details/im.gitter.Gitter On Mon,

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Steve Ebersole
What is it a conscious decision to not require a GitHub account to join these rooms? I just noticed that is a toggle-option in the room's settings also. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:17 AM Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Sanne Grinovero > wrote: > > > If one wants a lot

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Guillaume Smet
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: > If one wants a lot of features then clearly only Slack is the way to > go. Not saying we should go with Slack, just that we'll need to be > patient and we'll always be short of some features - if that's not > acceptable then only Slack

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Sanne Grinovero
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 10:15, Guillaume Smet wrote: > > Hi, > > So, one thing I find particularly annoying with Gitter now that we are > trying to use it for real interactions is the lack of notification sounds > in the webapp. When you're focused on your work, it's really easy to miss > the

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Guillaume Smet
It's not about having a sound, it's about having a notification e.g. if you don't enable the OS sounds, you don't have a sound. E.g. I think it's your Mac notification framework that produces the sound. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:31 AM Gunnar Morling wrote: > I'm just on their website, e.g.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Guillaume Smet
Are you using the webapp? Because I don't see any preference to enable sound and there is no sound at all when I get a notification. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:21 AM Gunnar Morling wrote: > Have you tried "Room Settings" -> "Notifications"? We're on Gitter for > Debezium, too, and in fact the

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Gunnar Morling
I'm just on their website, e.g. https://gitter.im/debezium/dev. There's an icon with three sliders in the upper right corner, next to my own profile picture. "Notifications" let me choose when I'd like to have a sound, e.g. never, just for direction mentions or for general mentions in a room. Am

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Gunnar Morling
Have you tried "Room Settings" -> "Notifications"? We're on Gitter for Debezium, too, and in fact the notifications were too noisy for me, so I turned them off :) --Gunnar Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018 um 10:59 Uhr schrieb Guillaume Smet : > > Hi, > > So, one thing I find particularly annoying with

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-12 Thread Guillaume Smet
Hi, So, one thing I find particularly annoying with Gitter now that we are trying to use it for real interactions is the lack of notification sounds in the webapp. When you're focused on your work, it's really easy to miss the visual ones and having a sound really helped on HipChat. There is an

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-09 Thread Yoann Rodiere
Hi, TL;DR: I created the Gitter rooms. Let's all go there for a few days, at least to try it? *Connecting* Obviously you can just connect to https://gitter.im/ and use the browser. You can sign in with your Github, Gitlab or Twitter account. There are also desktop/mobile applications.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-06 Thread Yoann Rodiere
I think all day-to-day users of our chat voted. Here are the results: IRC: 4 Yes, 5 "if need be", 6 no. Slack: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no Zulip: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no Gitter: 10 Yes, 1 "if need be", 4 no It seems Gitter won. That's the only option with more "Yes" than "No"... It's

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-05 Thread Yoann Rodiere
Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, Guillaume, Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus yet. I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread. Provisional results are as follows: IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no Slack: 2 Yes, 2

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-11-03 Thread Steve Ebersole
Any consensus on this yet? On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: > Thanks for starting this! > > The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it > to be killed: it has been historically important and we should > maintain some level of reachability on it.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-10-23 Thread Sanne Grinovero
Thanks for starting this! The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it to be killed: it has been historically important and we should maintain some level of reachability on it. So voting for the "IRC" choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it,

[hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

2018-10-23 Thread Yoann Rodiere
Hi, TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a chat tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need to choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so I'll try to