[hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea.

2004-05-24 Thread tei
Here is pic http://telejano.berlios.de/option/anticheat1.png the perfect idea is to generate all opengl calls, but store and not draw. then send the whole data has a array to the client. the dumby client will render the whole stuff. the perfect idea is imposible, has you need infinite bandwidth an

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea.

2004-05-24 Thread Dominic
As far as opengl hacks are concerned, the hacked game is executing exactly the "correct" calls, plus some the game itself doesn't know about. So even with the scenario from your "perfect idea", the game would still execute the correct calls, and the hack would add some of it's own, like disabling d

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea.

2004-05-24 Thread tei
Ok, Dominic. Thanks for the insight. Yea, I know fixing forever the cheat problem is a utopia. Or at least looks like is something hard to achieve. I guess future technology (?) will able smaller PVS so wallhacks will render much less usefull. Also cheat players play diferently than normal players,

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea.

2004-05-24 Thread Matt
cheats are gonna exist until pcs are nothing more than monitors connected to the internet and even then someone will find a way to cheat, the best way to stop cheats is to have a good way to report them< not as far as blizzard went =/ > but a constantly monitored system, mabey even by non valve rep

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea - My 5 cents

2004-05-24 Thread Adam \"amckern\" Mckern
Developers dont support games fater they ship, in many cases, but valve has broken the mold, and made HL a good game Steam, and VAC - even though they are still bugy (come on 30 millionish players), you will end up with bugs, even if you did test the system for 2 years, with steam beta 1, etc bac

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea - My 5 cents

2004-05-25 Thread tei
Adam "amckern" Mckern wrote: [...] back 2 point - Valve are doing there best to stop cheats, hacks, and that sorta thing - but if you make it to hard for a hacker to break the code in I.C.E., then you will also make it to hard for server admins to look after there servers, and among other things, h

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea - My 5 cents

2004-05-25 Thread Mark Wales
Am I being stupid, or isn't that exactly what Cheating Death does tei wrote: Adam "amckern" Mckern wrote: [...] back 2 point - Valve are doing there best to stop cheats, hacks, and that sorta thing - but if you make it to hard for a hacker to break the code in I.C.E., then you will also make i

Re: [hlcoders] Anti-Cheat idea - My 5 cents

2004-05-25 Thread tei
about: http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php short response: Yes, looks like its what C-D do. (and other similar software) Mark Wales wrote: Am I being stupid, or isn't that exactly what Cheating Death does tei wrote: [...] A "black box" thats do "things" and that "autoupdate" or somethin