[hlds] New contracts!

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=19715 ]Introducing the Tough Break Update, featuring 26 new contracts So how about that solution to promote community servers more? Or did we lose Christmas as well? On a side note, Tripwire is doing a much nicer job of at least trying to help out the

[hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

We're working on a mandatory update for TF2. This is the Tough Break Update. http://www.teamfortress.com/toughbreak/ We should have it ready soon. -Eric ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please

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I hear ya, Rowedahelicon, and after all the letters I've written the TF2 team filled with workable suggestions for how to improve the situation over the last 3 years (to include our community spending several months working on a new UI design that would preserve

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So...Bah Humbug to us, as players are once again driven further away from community servers? Geez, guys - you'd think after three years since the "temporary" changes were made to quickplay, you'd be able to come up with something - anything - to support the folks who've supported you the most.

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Well for starters would be to take the conversation out of here, it's so easy for messages to get all tangled and we tend to annoy anyone who comes on here just looking for information. So any external communication would be easier, discord or steam or whatever. I do like the idea of a petition as

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"I think it's time we started to combine our efforts on this matter instead of discussing here in the mailing thread where it turns into bickering" What would you suggest? On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Rowedahelicon < theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > @E.Olsen I tried making a post

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Perhaps a petition? Get a decent number of signatories that care and present that to Valve. But don’t be asshole-ish about it, you’re asking them to change THEIR game. Maybe someone that can keep their temper out of a conversation for 10 minutes should deliver the signed petition personally

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I've done that before, Reddit for the most part doesn't believe that anything bad is happening, so they need some pretty tough convincing. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Lyrai wrote: > Let's make an angry post on Reddit about it. That'll show them. > On Dec 17, 2015 2:25 PM,

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@E.Olsen I tried making a post about that earlier today but it seems it got eaten. I had asked about the progress of the supposed help to the community servers we were promised forever ago. I think it's time we started to combine our efforts on this matter instead of discussing here in the mailing

[hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

We've released a mandatory update for TF2. This is the Tough Break Update. The update notes are below. The new version is 3191257. -Eric The Tough Break Update has arrived! - Additional information available on the website

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Let's make an angry post on Reddit about it. That'll show them. On Dec 17, 2015 2:25 PM, "Adam Walker" wrote: > Perhaps a petition? Get a decent number of signatories that care and > present that to Valve. But don’t be asshole-ish about it, you’re asking > them to change

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I really do believe that if the community servers start to die out, TF2 will plunge in popularity like never seen before. And with the recent changes, including the aformentioned view on community servers, it has a slight chance of happening. What they are doing is somewhat wrong, in my

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Anyway my skype is Rowedahelicon as a start , I'm sure we can get something good going here! On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Rowedahelicon < theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > I've done that before, Reddit for the most part doesn't believe that > anything bad is happening, so they need

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"Community servers are not "relics of the past". It is simply a business decision and Valve has decided to choose the path of greed, laziness, and betrayal. One only needs to look at Minecraft as proof that community servers are not outdated." I want to point out this article along side that :

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Matthias seems to be confusing two separate issues, deliberately so I suspect. It is, in my view, the height of intellectual dishonesty to confuse the creation of custom content with the existence of privately-run servers; it is possible to have a strong custom-content community without the need

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Quickplay was hardly the first or one of the first anti-community changes. It is the worst and that is why everyone is fixated on it. Official server exclusives like MvM and passtime pale in comparison based on damage done. Matchmaking could possibly be just as bad, but only time will tell. And it

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One of the mods in that group belongs to motdgd. Sorry, not going to join that group. Conflict of interest. I do not want TF2 to suck. On 18.12.2015 00:20, Jan wrote: Similar group was set up before: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay On 18.12.2015 0:13, Rowedahelicon wrote:

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Like I said before, it is way too late for an angry post on reddit. Many of you thought these changes would just kill off the "bad" servers which "obviously" excluded your own, and applauded Valve and even asked for more and more restrictions. Community players are the minority now. Just last

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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2CommunityServers I've setup this group for now for us all to hop into , ignore my skype thing before I for whatever reason didn't think to use Steam. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Robert Paulson wrote: > Like I said before, it is way

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@Jan as far as I can tell this is a group to discuss the issues. Not a petition to Valve to fix them. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Jan wrote: > Similar group was set up before: > http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay > > > On 18.12.2015 0:13, Rowedahelicon

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If anyone decides on a place to discuss this outside the mailing list I'd really appreciate it. It'd be good to have a proper conversation about it without bothering everyone else in here. Let me know if you figure it out. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Rowedahelicon <

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I think in regards to them listening to us, that's another reason why some organization on our part would go a long way. I can imagine the usual drama / arguing in here is a deterrent to anyone trying to take us seriously. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:42 PM, kletch1333 .

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Similar group was set up before: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay On 18.12.2015 0:13, Rowedahelicon wrote: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2CommunityServers I've setup this group for now for us all to hop into , ignore my skype thing before I for whatever reason didn't think

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The level of starry-eyed idealism in this thread, whilst cute and admirable, is completely ill-placed and out of touch with reality. The fact is, Quickplay is only the first of many mechanisms that are inherently hostile to privately run servers. Mann-Up rewards, contracts and soon competitive

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I've been playing Team Fortress 2 long before motdgd even existed, have you ever considered that the reasons are actually personal/informal? I go back as far as the days of WON and Team Fortress Classic. However it seems to me that you have a personal grudge with me which is very unfortunate. On

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Yes, I have considered it, and no. Ads itself are a separate topic/issue to be discussed, and I don't see an objective basis for this when people with their companies are involved and are moderating this. This quickly reminds me of how the UN is arranged and veto powers are being abused there

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I want to go on record saying I very much agree with Matthias point about Valve's community interactions. Beyond TF2, I can give you a good argument why Valve needs to discuss with their community more, as it's not just us that are affected. Fixing quickplay is a good goal but as we've seen with

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It was suggested that the group for us be of just us, the fix quickplay group is nice but we should start small. Also @Matthias which group? On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < proph...@sticed.org> wrote: > One of the mods in that group belongs to motdgd. Sorry,

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The fixquickplay group. I'm seeing a few issues here. -My suspicion is Valve generally has very small teams. Like maybe one coder and two designers per game. Unless bigger updates are coming. There is also no staff designated to community dialog, or handle any requests in terms of bug-fixing

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

Any idea when we'll see the Linux/Mac fixes for CS:S, HL2:DM and 300? We still have some players on Macs, only a couple on Linux. On 17 Dec 2015 2:30 p.m., "Eric Smith" wrote: > We've released a mandatory update for TF2. This is the Tough Break Update. > The update notes

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Congrats, you managed to exceed the level of pragmatism and transform it into a rant. I don't see any reasons for this. If you have doubts about Valve caring about community servers, I do too. The situation is quite obvious. However I'm not presenting a solution, but a way to make our voices

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There's no need for negativity, just because server owners now are a small minority doesn't mean we can't grab people's attention. A lot of the TF2 community simply may not understand what all is at stake. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < proph...@sticed.org>