You have to realise that Valve are forever treading a fine line between the players and the server admins.
If you look at some of the mods being run out there, some of them are actively player-hostile, especially to new players, as the game experience changes semi-randomly. Instant respawn in particular turns many maps into unwinnable meat-grinders. The custom tab was a laudable effort to help new players get acquainted with the vanilla game before they get assaulted by the variations - but when it proved to be imperfect, they listened and changed. The fact that they're engaging in a dialogue to try and reach a compromise that suits everyone is what you should be paying attention to, rather than making knee-jerk reactions. Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2008, at 08:25, Timothy L Havener <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > I had that hope after the custom tab debacle. I now no longer hold > onto > it. I give up on Valve. > > [ЯтR] The-/<iller wrote: >> Hopefully its only nibbling in ignorance, as we are they're bread and >> butter, and hopefully it will be balanced in the end, keep console as >> console and PC above it all. >> >> Timothy L Havener wrote: >> >>> Where once Valve was an innovator in the way we play online games >>> they >>> have no become a force of complete destruction to the way we play PC >>> games. By reverting to a console style server browser they have >>> devolved their game into an Idoit's Guide to Online Gaming. This is >>> just another move on the chess board to marginalize server admins >>> and >>> take complete control of the gaming experience. Anyone who >>> doesn't see >>> that is blind. I had a little respect for them left after TF2 and >>> it is >>> now gone. Keep pissing off admins, Valve, its always good to bite >>> the >>> hand that feeds you. I'm sure those uneducated gamers out there >>> that >>> you are catering to will step up to the plate when all of us are >>> gone. >>> Good luck with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dj Satane wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Let me get something straight, Erik wrote: " When a player or two >>>> leaves >>>> Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a bit, and we were worried >>>> that the >>>> server browser model wasn't the right one for this game." >>>> >>>> Erik, you don't explain the matchmaking how it solves the problem >>>> you >>>> are talking about. How does "console style" matchmaking solves >>>> the problem >>>> of people leaving a left 4 dead game? How does server browser >>>> supposedly >>>> does not solve this problem? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Erik Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> First off, thanks to everyone for running servers for the demo. >>>>> We knew >>>>> going into the release that we were going to need to figure out >>>>> some ways to >>>>> make it worth it for server administrators, and now we have a >>>>> ton of >>>>> feedback to work with. >>>>> >>>>> Right now we're looking at ways that server administrators can >>>>> both build a >>>>> community around their game server (by subscribing to >>>>> matchmaking) as well >>>>> as service their group of "regulars" that play on their server. >>>>> Hooking game >>>>> servers into Steam Community is going to be our first step, and >>>>> we're >>>>> working on that now. >>>>> >>>>> There is a key difference between Left 4 Dead and games like >>>>> Counter-Strike >>>>> and Team Fortress in terms of matchmaking that we wanted to >>>>> solve, and >>>>> didn't think the server browser could accomplish. In CS and TF2, >>>>> you can >>>>> have 2 or 3 players leave in the middle of a game, have their >>>>> slots filled >>>>> by new people, and everyone else's experience doesn't completely >>>>> suffer. >>>>> When a player or two leaves Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a >>>>> bit, and we >>>>> were worried that the server browser model wasn't the right one >>>>> for this >>>>> game. In hindsight, there are a number of cases where the server >>>>> browser >>>>> does a better job than the new matchmaking system does, so it is >>>>> highly >>>>> likely that we'll be adding it back in soon. It isn't trivially >>>>> easy to turn >>>>> back on, but there is overlap between it and the Steam Community >>>>> work we'd >>>>> like to do. >>>>> >>>>> Right now we're working toward getting that release out within a >>>>> week or >>>>> so. >>>>> >>>>> There are a number of Valve employees reading all of the posts >>>>> on this >>>>> list, and while we can't reply to every question that comes >>>>> across, the >>>>> discussions here are ones we reference commonly when talking >>>>> about what to >>>>> do next internally. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
