Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread pilger
I'm afraid I can't use iostat on a VPS. Shows me a Cannot find disk data warning and dies. Googled it a bit and found a bunch of iostat doesn't work from inside containers and it would be a security issue if you could have that kkind of access to physical drivers from inside a virtual machine.

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread pilger
Did a ioping instead. I believe it does the trick of measuring. Here's what I got: *4.0 kb from . (ext4 /dev/ploop48624p1): request=1 time=283 us4.0 kb from . (ext4 /dev/ploop48624p1): request=2 time=540 us 4.0 kb from . (ext4

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread Rick Dunn
Wow that's some pretty ridiculous I/O lag. It's pretty obvious the VPS you have isn't intended for anything I/O intensive (or has too much I/O intensive stuff on it already). I'd recommend moving to a VPS provider that has fully virtualized containers rather than the para-virtualized ones you

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread Yun Huang Yong
+1 SSD might help, but only might. If you think about the underlying machines they are limited on the dimensions of CPU, RAM, and disk. If the provider uses SSD that would generally improve the disk performance but if that means they then cram more customers onto the box because they have

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread pilger
Any idea of how many IOPS would be needed for hosting a decent srcds with replays enabled!? I've had one host offering me 100 but I'm not really sure how is that converted to latency. I know it isn't a direct relation, but I think it might depend on the hardware specs. Anyways, I just wonder if

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread Weasels Lair
Hmm, I'd say try disabling re-plays for a while and see if that makes any different. That might generated a lot of (unnecessary) traffic and storage I/O on an ad-hoc basis. If that makes things better, than that might indicate you need storage I/O (i.e. find a host that uses all solid-state

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread Yun Huang Yong
You can't tell from that number alone. Same as on the CPU dimension your provider can sell 100 IOPs to 30 customers on a disk subsystem that might provide, for examples sake, 800 IOPs. Theoretically it limits the damage one customer could do but overall the system is still oversold - what

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread pilger
@Weasels Yeap. Got replays disabled for a while as long as logging. Though it is a feature our community misses and we can't afford to have it disabled for the long run. But yeah, the stuttering gets considerably better with replays and logging off. I don't think I got what you said about storage,

Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Help with Rubberband Effect

2014-04-10 Thread Yun Huang Yong
On 11/04/2014 11:30 AM, pilger wrote: @yun What if they guarantee *my VPS* will have the 100 IOPS? You've reached the limits of my knowledge :] BTW I neglected the read ops before. I don't have useful data for a single TF2 instance (I typically run ~4 TF2 servers per VPS) but one of my VPS