Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread ics
Comparing cars to games is sort of not so good example. Yeah, the current model has its good and bads. The fact that you can fix bugs has become a habit on games industry where they release their games as a state of "work in progress". Hell TF2 was as such too! 6 maps only in the initial releas

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Oliver Salzburg
That's nice that you put up your server for other to have fun. But as you noted yourself, for some games there are sometimes actually no servers to play on. So there are actually people who run a server so they can play the game they paid money for. So you buy a game, you can't play it, you pay ad

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread ics
Yeah, you paid for the game. Thats like 10-30 bucks, depending when you bought it or if it came with Orangebox, even more. However, they did the game and can do whatever they want with it. As long as we run the servers, they dont have to do it. Things would be propablty like in L4D where Valve

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Andy
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:40:46 +0300, "ics" said: > I don't think Valve sees any of these plugins and mods trivial enough to > give out the updates in advance or any information about them. Servers > run "fine" without them too. If you would be paying customer, things > would be different. > > -

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Zuko
ichard Eid > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM, blissend > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Did they hire someone's nephew whom is an ogrish of man so they're >

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread DontWannaName!
id=3948 > >>>> > >>>> -Richard Eid > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM, blissend > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>&g

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread ics
ote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Did they hire someone's nephew whom is an ogrish of man so they're too >>>>> afraid to fire... he just so happens to be responsible for >>>>> testing/releases?... No

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Stefan Popp
:06 PM, Bruce Potter wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> FYI, I just reran the updatetool (CentOS) and got a TON more content. >>>>> With SM disabled I was able to get my servers started with no core >>>>> dumps. >>>&g

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Richard Eid
> >>> > >>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Keeper wrote: > >>> > >>>> Valve has always said they are not responsible for keeping us in the > >>>> loop. > >>>> We have nicely asked for an update so we can get some things > >>>

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread David Anderson
;> :) >>>> >>>> Keeper >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: DontWannaName! [mailto:ad...@topnotchclan.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:55 P

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-14 Thread Richard Eid
gt; From: DontWannaName! [mailto:ad...@topnotchclan.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:55 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day > > > o

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread blissend
update so we can get some things > > reliably fixed > > :) > > > > Keeper > > > > -Original Message- > > From: DontWannaName! [mailto:ad...@topnotchclan.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:55 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux serv

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread Bruce Potter
st > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day > of > Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX) > > They did test the update on servers, they just didnt test SM with it > or warn > the development team that there would need to be major changes. &

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread Donnie Newlove
Valve should really involve the sourcemod (etc) people more. If it weren't for them everything source and gldsrc would suck. Vaƶve sure haven't showed a lot of interest in making their own server tools so if you want to continue relying on other people making them for free maybe at least they could

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread Keeper
dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX) They did test the update on servers, they just didnt test SM with it or warn the development team that there would need to be major changes

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread DontWannaName!
They did test the update on servers, they just didnt test SM with it or warn the development team that there would need to be major changes. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM, MoggieX wrote: > [RANT] > Actually, We're now aware why out 19 TF2 servers are down > Valve have you heard of the term

Re: [hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread David Anderson
Hi All, Well everyone knows my opinion on this. A public beta, or advanced (or even notice on release) of changes would be immensely helpful. Instead both users and developers get a bombshell. Awesome. We'll spin SourceMod releases on all branches as soon as we have a fix. Metamod should be fi

[hlds_linux] 1. Re: Linux Crashes - Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released (MoggieX)

2009-08-13 Thread MoggieX
[RANT] Actually, We're now aware why out 19 TF2 servers are down Valve have you heard of the term "Testing" or even "QA" for that matter? wtf are you ladies doing releasing an update that has blatantly not been tested with server side addons such as Mani or Sourcemod, the stats clearly show you