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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with Quotes in their names
Can
If you made a log parser that counted backwards on the line the number
of < or >, then you could make it work even if people's names had < in
them.
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Peter Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/5/8 Guy Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Can someone make a plug-in that
2008/5/8 Guy Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Can someone make a plug-in that "corrects" bad usernames?
I don't have a plugin as such. But the perl script that monitors the
multiple servers also issues admin/amx commands to force a name
change..So I have an event that is called on Namechange with ol
>
> Sure it was always part of the rules, because you were not able to use
> certain characters in the name in the past.
>
In the context of a TF2 parser, they were, to my knowledge - though
you're right that general 'source' stats parsers didn't have o deal
with this before.
This is stupid though
Can u lot stop spamming my inbox?
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Verzonden: donderdag 8 mei 2008 20:20
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Onderwerp: Re: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with Quote
I think since the game supports multi-byte characters or Unicode, you can't
disallow any 1 byte character, unless you know it is never used in any
multi-byte character.
Personally, since I can't read some screen output, I wish only clear text
ASCII characters were allowed. And any of these ", < a
2008/5/8 Ronny Schedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No, I don't want to ignore the line and I don't want to kick players. I want
> it fixed by Valve :-)
Well personally to get to the point where you cannot salvage the line
(using my parse method) the player must have deliberately tried to
circumvent the
Sure it was always part of the rules, because you were not able to use
certain characters in the name in the past.
> That's very zen of you, but 'no quotes in the username' was never part
> of the rules. It simply should have been. If you wrote a parser to the
> current rules, broken as they ar
Oh, and don't get me wrong. The logging system could be made much
better. Making a character that surrounds data fields and CANNOT be
placed into any field supplied by a user (name mainly). It would make
the whole process a lot less painful (believe me I spent a lot of time
trying to break my own p
No, I don't want to ignore the line and I don't want to kick players. I want
it fixed by Valve :-)
> I could at this point just issue a kick on the player (by steam ID or
> slot ID which we reliably have already remember). Or I can ignore the
> line. Provided I can ascertain the reason safely (an
That's very zen of you, but 'no quotes in the username' was never part
of the rules. It simply should have been. If you wrote a parser to the
current rules, broken as they are, it wouldn't choke on quotes in
usernames unless the user had a deliberately disruptive name that was
impossible to parse u
2008/5/8 Ronny Schedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You can fuck up every game. The name can be in the first place, at the
> second (killed event, attacked event) and in the last place (flag capture,
> point capture). The example is from TF2, but you also have a similar log
> line in DODS when you captur
AFAIK, maximum player name is limited at 32
characters."player2<2>") (position1 "2 2 2")
(player2 "player1" is way over 32 characters. A while back, I made a
HLSW style match reporting bot in Java for my server so I could
monitor the server even when I wasn't playing on it. To solve this
parsing pr
If you want to interpret something, you need rules, in the real life and
also in the computer world. If you cannot count on rules, you cannot
interpret it with a program. The rule of a player information was:
"name"
If Valve breaks this rule, you have to adjust, but there are possibilties
were
There is no regex to handle this, because the format of the logline itself
is valid, it will be treated like a good one. Only the logic part is wrong,
but this cannot be handled by a regex.
> The matter is that with proper regex and such, one can make a log
> parsing program that will not run
The matter is that with proper regex and such, one can make a log
parsing program that will not run into this issue. Now, I do not know
of the exact ways to go about this, but many other programs parse
similar logs with complete success.
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Ronny Schedel <[EMAIL PROTE
You can fuck up every game. The name can be in the first place, at the
second (killed event, attacked event) and in the last place (flag capture,
point capture). The example is from TF2, but you also have a similar log
line in DODS when you capture a flag. It is not possible to catch this abuse
I disagree. Log parsers, like all programs, that take input which we
already know the limits of, are responsible for parsing it to the best
of their ability. Just because quotes 'should' be escaped somehow or
blocked in this log format, doesn't mean that they are, or ever have
been. Nobody is havin
2008/5/8 Ronny Schedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No, the quotes allow an user to break out the quotes, like with SQL
> injection. You can produce valid loglines, but wrong one. An example:
>
> A valid logline, without date and stuff:
>
> Team "Blue" triggered "pointcaptured" (cp "2") (cpname "a") (num
It's not badly coded parsing, its a failure on valves part to limit
specific characters in player names.
First it started off about not being able to kick players with quotes --
that is the problem this thread was started with and afaik it still
occurs. It's possibly unexpected behaviour.
Pete
Little mistake, you have to rename to:
player2<2>") (position1 "2 2 2") (player2 "player1
> No, the quotes allow an user to break out the quotes, like with SQL
> injection. You can produce valid loglines, but wrong one. An example:
>
> A valid logline, without date and stuff:
>
> Team "Blue" trig
2008/5/8 Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What processing engine? All they do to print a log is this:
>
> Log("%s<%d><%s>\n", name, id, steamId);
>
> So if there is a quote in the name it gets printed out.
You misunderstood. I am referring to the engine processing the log
lines and parsing the
2008/5/8 Ronny Schedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The problem is not the stats program. Valve must fix the log entries and
> does not allow any character. You have also problems if Valve would allow <
> and > in the names.
Wrong. If you read HOW I process the logs you'd see they can put ANY
characters
No, the quotes allow an user to break out the quotes, like with SQL
injection. You can produce valid loglines, but wrong one. An example:
A valid logline, without date and stuff:
Team "Blue" triggered "pointcaptured" (cp "2") (cpname "a") (numcappers "1")
(player1 "player1<1>") (position1 "1 1
A proper log parses will parse these log messages regardless of what
characters are in the name, with the possible exception of linefeeds.
Not that valve shouldn't consider putting in restrictions, but log
parsers also bear a responsibility to consider all possibilities.
- Neph
On Thu, May 8, 20
The problem is not the stats program. Valve must fix the log entries and
does not allow any character. You have also problems if Valve would allow <
and > in the names.
> Or the stats program could parse the logs properly taking into account all
> possible characters (as Peter Kirby did).
>
> On
Or the stats program could parse the logs properly taking into account all
possible characters (as Peter Kirby did).
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Peter Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/5/8 Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Could just make a plugin which kick players with quotes in
, May 08, 2008 9:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with Quotes in their names
2008/5/8 Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could just make a plugin which kick players with quotes in there name
Or the processing engine cou
2008/5/8 Mark Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Could just make a plugin which kick players with quotes in there name
Or the processing engine could just parse the logs properly in the first place.
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2008/4/28 Jon Swope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> While Psychostats halting completely is indeed an error with Psychostats,
> allowing unescaped double quotes in usernames breaks Valve's own logging
> format. While minor (it only hurts log parsin
2008/4/28 Jon Swope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> While Psychostats halting completely is indeed an error with Psychostats,
> allowing unescaped double quotes in usernames breaks Valve's own logging
> format. While minor (it only hurts log parsing programs) it still should
> qualify as a bug.
>
> Whi
Just make a plugin to kick them from the server all ready
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with
http://www.psychostats.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=17460&view=findpost&p=95462
Vince wrote:
> The psychostats developer said he was not going to try to address this
> problem because the server engine isn't supposed to be allowing that
> character to be used in the first place.
>
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Best way to handle problems like these is "checking ID at the door", not
waiting until they tear up the place. In other words, do some string
checking against known bad characters in the places users can set/change
their names.
The psychostats developer said he was not going to try to address
t"
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with Quotes in their names
> Sounds like Psychostats needs to be fixed.
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Saint K. wrote:
>> > " sh
Sounds like Psychostats needs to be fixed.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Saint K. wrote:
> > " shouldn't be allowed in player names tbh. Same go's for ' btw.
> >
> >
> Which has been brought up here before. It also screws up Psychostats
> for TF2. As in, ps
Sort of useless thing to change it from console as it reverts back to
Steam friends name after every map change.
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Don Redhorse kirjoitti:
> Don't forget that you can change the nick in console when you are
> running tf2... you don't need to use your community name.
>
> On Mon, 2008-04-28 at
Don't forget that you can change the nick in console when you are
running tf2... you don't need to use your community name.
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 07:39 -0400, Vince wrote:
> Prevent ", ', and other illegal characters from being used in player
> names. Seems like a simple enough request. Althou
his
character and try again".
> Cheers,
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:48 PM
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e: [hlds_linux] Cant Kick Players with Quotes in their names
Last I checked, this applied to names with "" and ()
We noticed it on a TF2 server in early February when people were showing no
steamid for "status".
Dave
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> > I use HLSW and RCON but
Last I checked, this applied to names with "" and ()
We noticed it on a TF2 server in early February when people were showing no
steamid for "status".
Dave
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> > I use HLSW and RCON but i am unable to kick any player with quotes in
> > their
> > names.
> >
> > Also if
I have heard about this before.. I think it's a bug
So if the player has a quote in their name and you throw a status at your
server using the console tab of HLSW, it doesn't return a steamid?
> Hi Lists (Linux and Win)
>
> I use HLSW and RCON but i am unable to kick any player with quotes in
Hi Lists (Linux and Win)
I use HLSW and RCON but i am unable to kick any player with quotes in their
names.
Also if they have quotes in their names i am unable to see thier global ID
(Steam ID)
Example:
"4c3" w45 74k3n - is a players name in my server - i cant see any other info
for him - ID, C
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