Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-05-02 Thread Roger Bishop Jones
I see now that my sketch proof of "completeness" for Rob Arthan's proposed new "new_specification" cannot be turned into a rigorous proof. When withness are obtained using the choice function, they may fail the fourth of his specified constraints on the witnesses. They will do so in just the

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-29 Thread Rob Arthan
On 28 Apr 2012, at 16:17, Roger Bishop Jones wrote: > On Saturday 28 Apr 2012 13:14, Rob Arthan wrote: > >> On 28 Apr 2012, at 09:53, Roger Bishop Jones wrote: >>> Is the revised new_specification "complete"? >>> i.e. are there any conservative extensions which cannot >>> be achieved by it? >>>

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-29 Thread Roger Bishop Jones
On Sunday 29 Apr 2012 11:11, Rob Arthan wrote: > > The question I was asking was rather more mundane. > > Given that we know what it means to say that some > > proposition P is conservative over a given theory in > > HOL (in the proof theoretic sense), the question is > > "is there any proposition

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-28 Thread Rob Arthan
Roger, On 28 Apr 2012, at 09:53, Roger Bishop Jones wrote: > Is the revised new_specification "complete"? > i.e. are there any conservative extensions which cannot be > achieved by it? > (an argument for this would strengthen the case) I would be rather surprised if there were any nice c

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-28 Thread Roger Bishop Jones
On Saturday 28 Apr 2012 13:14, Rob Arthan wrote: > On 28 Apr 2012, at 09:53, Roger Bishop Jones wrote: > > Is the revised new_specification "complete"? > > i.e. are there any conservative extensions which cannot > > be achieved by it? > > (an argument for this would strengthen the case) > > I wou

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-28 Thread Roger Bishop Jones
Is the revised new_specification "complete"? i.e. are there any conservative extensions which cannot be achieved by it? (an argument for this would strengthen the case) In the context of the revised new_specification how do we stand in relation to conservative introduction of type constr

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-25 Thread Rob Arthan
On 25 Apr 2012, at 14:03, Ramana Kumar wrote: > Looks like interesting conversations. Congratulations on doing such a great > job of writing them up! I would be more than happy to fix the relevant > OpenTheory importer/exporters if OpenTheory and/or HOL4 and/or HOL Light > adopt this proposal.

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-25 Thread Ramana Kumar
Looks like interesting conversations. Congratulations on doing such a great job of writing them up! I would be more than happy to fix the relevant OpenTheory importer/exporters if OpenTheory and/or HOL4 and/or HOL Light adopt this proposal. One small comment: in the description of the revised new_

[Hol-info] HOL Constant Definition Done Right

2012-04-25 Thread Rob Arthan
Conversations with Mark Adams and John Harrison at the Milner Symposium earlier last week inspired me to think through a new approach to defining constants in HOL. This generalises what was done in early versions of HOL Light. It constitutes an adjustment to new_specification that supersedes new