Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread Pierre Pfister
Hello Brian and James, Thanks for the heads up. CANs will be replaced in next version. So I’m clarifying the two first points in 4.3 o It can be delegated by a service provider (DHCPv6 PD, 6rd [RFC5969], etc..). o It can be provisioned by an administrative authority (user co

Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread James Woodyatt
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Pierre Pfister wrote: > > But I’m going to change it and making it more clear that authorities can > provide their own prefixes. Even ULAs. > Thanks! I'm very pleased to see this agreement. -- james woodyatt Nest Labs, Communications Engineering _

Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread Pierre Pfister
> > I think my concern might be ameliorated by drawing a distinction in the > requirements between a single distinguished Home ULA Prefix and any number of > other Exterior ULA Prefix delegations. The former prefix is autonomously > generated by the HOMENET router in the Leader role, whereas

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Tim Chown
On 9 Oct 2014, at 12:03, Ole Troan wrote: > it doesn't make sense to specify something that breaks SLAAC. > > protocol design is politics. we want to make it clear to the address > delegation authorities that not delegating a large enough address block will > lead to breakage. > > in my view,

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 09/10/2014 22:29, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Thanks for updating. > > Le 09/10/2014 11:26, Pierre Pfister a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> I’m proposing this change then. >> >> 1. In case the provided prefix is 64, the default consist in assigning >> prefixes of length 64 first. >> 2. I’m adding a re

Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Works for me, but for RFC 2119, s/CAN/MAY/. Thanks Brian On 09/10/2014 22:04, Pierre Pfister wrote: > Hello James and Brian, > > What do you think of the following proposal ? > It allows any router to generate a ULA (it adds more complexity because > collisions must be avoided, even though t

Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread James Woodyatt
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Pierre Pfister wrote: > > What do you think of the following proposal ? > It allows any router to generate a ULA (it adds more complexity because > collisions must be avoided, even though the Backoff was necessary at boot > anyway). > As this is a Standards Track

Re: [homenet] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for Homenet WG

2014-10-09 Thread Markus Stenberg
Heya, it seems to be aiming to work only within link-local collision domain, and therefore it seems to be outside the work homenet WG is chartered to do. Perhaps dnssd is more appropriate for this work, although I am not sure about that either (they do more than just naming, as the focus is on

[homenet] Request for Comments on New Internet Draft for Homenet WG

2014-10-09 Thread Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Hi all, I submitted a new Internet Draft about "DNS name autoconfiguration for Home network or IoT devices". The DNS name autoconfiguration for home network devices will be useful for the IPv6 stateless autoconfiguration of Home network (or IoT) devices along with RFC 6106 for "IPv6 Router Advert

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Pierre Pfister
Reply inline Le 9 oct. 2014 à 13:03, Ole Troan a écrit : > Pierre, > > I certainly understand your argument, and we don't disagree on the technical > merit. > >> I’m proposing this change then. >> >> 1. In case the provided prefix is 64, the default consist in assigning >> prefixes of leng

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Ole Troan
Pierre, I certainly understand your argument, and we don't disagree on the technical merit. > I’m proposing this change then. > > 1. In case the provided prefix is 64, the default consist in assigning > prefixes of length 64 first. > 2. I’m adding a reference to 6man-why64. > > When the algor

[homenet] Fwd: ANIMA charter: status update

2014-10-09 Thread Benoit Claise
FYI, just in case you're not subscribed to ANIMA. Regards, Benoit Original Message Subject:ANIMA charter: status update Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 11:52:12 +0200 From: Benoit Claise To: an...@ietf.org Dear all, From the minutes of the October 2, 2014 IESG Tel

Re: [homenet] [Anima] Homenet feedback on the ANIMA charter

2014-10-09 Thread Benoit Claise
On 02/10/2014 14:57, Laurent Ciavaglia wrote: Dear Benoit, Markus, all, On 02/10/2014 14:16, Benoit Claise wrote: On 01/10/2014 18:27, Markus Stenberg wrote: Notably, adoption of a solution (discovery+negotiation protocol) before adoption of use cases seems like putting cart before the horse

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Hello Pierre, Le 09/10/2014 11:26, Pierre Pfister a écrit : [...] The following table MAY be used as default values, where X is the length of the delegated prefix. If X <= 64: Prefix length = 64 I disagree. In general, for assigning prefixes, and subsequently routing to them, I

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Le 09/10/2014 02:35, Brian E Carpenter a écrit : On 09/10/2014 03:21, Tim Chown wrote: On 8 Oct 2014, at 14:14, Pierre Pfister wrote: Why should we mandate homenet implementations to *brake* in situations where they could work fine ? Why should we voluntarily prevent a link from being config

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Thanks for updating. Le 09/10/2014 11:26, Pierre Pfister a écrit : Hello, I’m proposing this change then. 1. In case the provided prefix is 64, the default consist in assigning prefixes of length 64 first. 2. I’m adding a reference to 6man-why64. When the algorithm decides to make a new assig

Re: [homenet] homenet-prefix-assignment update - prefix length 64 and on prefix comparison

2014-10-09 Thread Pierre Pfister
Hello, I’m proposing this change then. 1. In case the provided prefix is 64, the default consist in assigning prefixes of length 64 first. 2. I’m adding a reference to 6man-why64. When the algorithm decides to make a new assignment, it first needs to specify the desired size of the assigned

Re: [homenet] I-D.ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (RFC 4193 conformance)

2014-10-09 Thread Pierre Pfister
Hello James and Brian, What do you think of the following proposal ? It allows any router to generate a ULA (it adds more complexity because collisions must be avoided, even though the Backoff was necessary at boot anyway). And it conforms to RFC4193 whenever possible (date is available and stab