Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-barth-homenet-hncp-security-trust-01.txt

2014-10-22 Thread Ray Bellis
On 22 Oct 2014, at 02:02, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Up one more level: the charter looks pretty out of date in general. Hi Brian, The charter itself still reflects our primary focus. I believe it still accurately reflects the constraints on our scope. The

Re: [homenet] “Hybrid Access for Broadband Networks” (WT-348)

2014-10-22 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Hello Xueli, Several people look at this problem as an IP problem. Instead of considering a cellular+dsl combination in a homebox, they considered cellular+wifi on a smartphone. But the goal was the same: augment the bandwidth perceived by the end user. In implementation it is however

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread James Woodyatt
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Markus Stenberg markus.stenb...@iki.fi wrote: My assertion: Given HNCP generated one spans whole administrative domain, _and_ should not have routing anywhere outside it, it’s uniqueness does not _matter_. Wait. Where did this and should not be routable

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sure, people might not do that; sure there might be some people confusion when 5 friends get together for a LAN party (hey, why are there three servers called 'quake'? Which one is quake-1?), but I don't think that

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread James Woodyatt
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: James Woodyatt j...@nestlabs.com wrote: My assertion: Given HNCP generated one spans whole administrative domain, _and_ should not have routing anywhere outside it, it’s uniqueness does

Re: [homenet] dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-22 Thread David Lamparter
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:40:33PM +0200, David Lamparter wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-routing-extra-qualifiers/?include_text=1 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-routing/?include_text=1 rtgwg homenet: So, these drafts describe the

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread Markus Stenberg
On 22.10.2014, at 20.51, James Woodyatt j...@nestlabs.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Markus Stenberg markus.stenb...@iki.fi wrote: Wait. Where did this and should not be routable anywhere outside recommendation come from? And if it's only a recommendation and not a

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-barth-homenet-hncp-security-trust-01.txt

2014-10-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 22/10/2014 23:54, Ray Bellis wrote: On 22 Oct 2014, at 02:02, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Up one more level: the charter looks pretty out of date in general. Hi Brian, The charter itself still reflects our primary focus. I believe it still accurately

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:46 PM, James Woodyatt j...@nestlabs.com wrote: They may often be the only *default* routers, but there can be— and absolutely definitely will be in the vast majority of cases— overlay networks that route ULA prefixes to, from and most likely *between* home networks over

Re: [homenet] dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-22 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Oct 22, 2014, at 12:06 PM, David Lamparter equi...@diac24.net wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:40:33PM +0200, David Lamparter wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-routing-extra-qualifiers/?include_text=1

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread James Woodyatt
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Ted Lemon mel...@fugue.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:46 PM, James Woodyatt j...@nestlabs.com wrote: They may often be the only *default* routers, but there can be— and absolutely definitely will be in the vast majority of cases— overlay networks that

Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

2014-10-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Michael, On 23/10/2014 07:04, Michael Richardson wrote: James Woodyatt j...@nestlabs.com wrote: My assertion: Given HNCP generated one spans whole administrative domain, _and_ should not have routing anywhere outside it, it’s uniqueness does not _matter_.

Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-barth-homenet-hncp-security-trust-01.txt

2014-10-22 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/22/14, 12:46 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 22/10/2014 23:54, Ray Bellis wrote: On 22 Oct 2014, at 02:02, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Up one more level: the charter looks pretty out of date in general. Hi Brian, The charter itself still reflects our primary