Re: [homenet] Layering [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Geoff Thompson
> On Aug 8, 2015, at 4:36 AMPDT, Juliusz Chroboczek > wrote: > >> What you are suggesting here is heresy. You are saying that the basic >> assumption made 35 years ago, Layering, doesn't work. What a surprise. > > No. What this says is that strict layering has a performance cost, and > a wa

Re: [homenet] Multicast in IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: I'm confused again. PIO lifetimes are on the order of hours, or even days, while unsolicited RAs are sent every 60s. Plus there's nothing preventing you from sending them more often. Andrew Yourtchenko is a lot better than I am at explaining thi

Re: [homenet] Multicast in IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Mikael is correct; IPv6 mechanisms are different. SLAAC adds broadcasts that are not present in IPv4, MLD report then NS DAD then, sometimes and though it is not required by the spec, NA(O). IPv6 nodes tend to create multiple addresses, many of which are temporary for privacy reasons. So the a

Re: [homenet] [ieee-ietf-coord] New work in other SDOs [was Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Pat (Patricia) Thaler
As Alia points out, because of increasing areas where there was overlap between our work, we started coordinating more closely a few years ago. We maintain a list of areas that we have identified as benefiting from coordination. We have teleconference meetings 3 times a year which include a di

[homenet] Multicast in IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I'd imagine the amount of multicast for IPv6 is more than 10x (just > guessing) larger unless mitigation is put in place, I'm perhaps confused, but I don't see why. ARP is somewhat loosely specified, so it's difficult to say for sure without checking the implementations, but I'd expect ND to be

[homenet] Layering [was: Despair]

2015-08-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> What you are suggesting here is heresy. You are saying that the basic > assumption made 35 years ago, Layering, doesn't work. What a surprise. No. What this says is that strict layering has a performance cost, and a way to recover some of this performance is to organise carefully controlled l