Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Ralf Weber wrote: >> While I don't object to a BOF, I don't know where it goes. >> What I see is that much of this problem needs to be resolved through >> increased use of 802.1X: making WPA-Enterprise easier to use and setup, >> this changing core identity from MAC Address to IDe

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Hello Dave and all: So far I have not seen how the MAC randomization deals with: - DAD - the chances of duplication seem much higher than for IPv6; maybe we can help by doing DAD with something like RFC 8505 on the first hop switch / AP. - differentiated environments - the preferred behavior on

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Moin! On 22 Sep 2020, at 22:34, Michael Richardson wrote: This thread was started today on the INTAREA WG ML. While I don't object to a BOF, I don't know where it goes. What I see is that much of this problem needs to be resolved through increased use of 802.1X: making WPA-Enterprise easier t

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Brian Dickson wrote: >> I don't get the NAPT issue though. >> The NAPT issues are because DHCP gave the device a different IP(v4), right? >> If you solve persistent DHCP, then you solve those, don't you? >> > I think there are some environments where that isn't technically a

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Hiya, On 23/09/2020 01:13, Brian Dickson wrote: > IMNSHO, MACs should be relegated to the role reflected in their name: Media > Access Control, basically a disambiguator, not an identity. With s/disambiguator/local disambiguator/ I would entirely agree I think. > The work being done by the expo

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 4:25 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > Bob Hinden wrote: > > I have read the emails and the draft > . I am not clear what the goal of the > BOF is. > > > Could the proponents state it clearly? > > I can't speak for the proponents, but at the simplest, one could a

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Bob Hinden wrote: > I have read the emails and the draft . I am not clear what the goal of the BOF is. > Could the proponents state it clearly? I can't speak for the proponents, but at the simplest, one could add: "how can we do X if the MAC cannot be used as identity" > • LA

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

I have read the emails and the draft . I am not clear what the goal of the BOF is. Could the proponents state it clearly? From the agenda, Use Cases: • LAN gateway NAPT forwarding - (PRESENTER TBD) • Static NAPT policies - (PRESENTER TBD) • Persistent DHCP IP address a

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

On 22 Sep 2020, at 17:18, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hiya, On 22/09/2020 22:08, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Stephen, Thanks for the notes. Actually, we believe that there are good privacy reasons to randomize mac-address. This BoF isn't trying to "fix" randomized mac-address. On the contrary, we want the

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Hi Michael, Thanks for the notes. At this stage, our #1 objective is to document the use cases that may broke and propose best practice to transition to dynamic mac-address. We don't have the full picture of the impact. We think IETF is a good platform to gather more information. Thanks, Yiu

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Hiya, On 22/09/2020 22:08, Lee, Yiu wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for the notes. Actually, we believe that there are good > privacy reasons to randomize mac-address. This BoF isn't trying to > "fix" randomized mac-address. On the contrary, we want the community > to embrace it. In order to eas

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Hi Stephen, Thanks for the notes. Actually, we believe that there are good privacy reasons to randomize mac-address. This BoF isn't trying to "fix" randomized mac-address. On the contrary, we want the community to embrace it. In order to ease the anxiety for transitioning, we want to document w

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

That agenda and draft seem to make the seemingly common enough mistake of only focusing on what a new privacy or security mechanism breaks and glossing over the good reasons why people introduce these mechanisms. I hope the BoF proponents fix that because otherwise they may end up giving the impre

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

Damn. Spelt captive-portal without the s again. Reposting, sorry for duplicates. I hate when WG names and list names do not match, and that we can't have aliases. And I think that reply-to gets filtered. Archived-At:

Re: [homenet] [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

This thread was started today on the INTAREA WG ML. While I don't object to a BOF, I don't know where it goes. What I see is that much of this problem needs to be resolved through increased use of 802.1X: making WPA-Enterprise easier to use and setup, this changing core identity from MAC Addres