Re: [homenet] Multicast in 802.11 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:16:04AM -0700, james woodyatt wrote: An additional complication with 802.11 is that various physical encodings use spacial beam forming for unicast and that???s not possible with multicast. It???s the main reason that transmission bit rates for unicast can be so

Re: [homenet] Multicast in 802.11 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread james woodyatt
On Aug 6, 2015, at 17:42, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: I wasn't aware of the treatment of multicast packets as less than best effort in wireless transmission. That is not exactly intuitive, given that radio is inherently broadcast. Yes, that's

[homenet] Multicast on 802.11

2015-08-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
(included mbo...@ietf.org and also changed subject to something more appropriate) As far as I can tell, so far people have told IETF it's their job to reduce multicast to make IP based protocol work on 802.11 media. That's at least what I have been seeing. Considering the reactions from

Re: [homenet] Multicast over 802.11 and Babel [was: Multicast in IPv6]

2015-08-10 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr wrote: [...] There are two lessons to be drawn from that experience: 1. don't put 1500 wifi routers in a single room; 2. making a routing daemon that works well in a variety of conditions is hard

[homenet] Multicast over 802.11 and Babel [was: Multicast in IPv6]

2015-08-09 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I just find it strange that you have hit the multicast problem for routing protocols but not for IPv6. Ah, I now understand that we were speaking about different things. The issue that Babel used to have with 802.11 multicast was not packet loss -- Babel is designed to be extremely resilient

Re: [homenet] Multicast in 802.11 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Eric Gray
Thanks! -Original Message- From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:43 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: Homenet Subject: Multicast in 802.11 [was: Despair] Importance: High I wasn't aware of the treatment of multicast packets as less than