Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 3

2006-04-14 Thread Paul Mansur
Nope, Milt. It was Victor Allessandro, Eastman grad and the youngest conductor of a full time orchestra back in the late 30s and 40s till '51. I was still a student at that time, but in my senior year under George. Ok City Symphony. Cheers, Paul On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 10:51 PM,

Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 3

2006-04-14 Thread milton
Hey Paul, It sounds like Lucas Foss. When he was music director here we doubled everything including the opening of the Schubert great C major. Milton Paul Mansur wrote: On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 02:32 PM, John Mason wrote: A question for those of you in the professional ranks.

[Hornlist] FS: Fixed bell Pro-Tec Gig Bag

2006-04-14 Thread Chris Tedesco
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Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 3

2006-04-14 Thread Paul Mansur
On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 02:32 PM, John Mason wrote: A question for those of you in the professional ranks. Well, in some cases, I think the Beethoven 3 is likely being played by a rather larger orchestra than was available to Ludwig in the early 19th century. I once played it in a

[Hornlist] Beethoven 3

2006-04-14 Thread John Mason
Pardon the double post. A question for those of you in the professional ranks. I'll soon play Beethoven 3 for the first time in almost 30 years. Back then, it was common practice for 2nd and 3rd horn to join 1st for the big melody at letter F in the last movement. (I was so told by my teacher a

Re: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

2006-04-14 Thread billbamberg
After years of collecting horns and playing every one I could get my hands on I've concluded that it takes two horns to be properly equipped to do justice to any music put before you. You need a 'big' horn to handle large orchestral works, and a smaller, very agile horn to handle the 'close up'

RE: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

2006-04-14 Thread Bill Gross
Just a point of reference in the sports car world, for example Porsche Clubs in the US have folks competing in different type events. One set of events is focused on the performance of the car, that is, how fast you can drive it on a certain specified course. Another type of competition is based

RE: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

2006-04-14 Thread Steve Freides
Debbie Wenger wrote: -snip- > And yes, part of my concern is to keep the historical value > of the horn. The sound is what matters, and historical value is for things that sit in a glass case somewhere. If you play the thing, make it to your liking limited by only your good judgement and your

Re: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

2006-04-14 Thread debbie wenger
I want to clarify, I erred by addressing my post to Luke Zyla, but I do appreciate the input in your response. My ramblings were meant in general for learning horn players who do not know whether changing parts of your horn is a good idea or not. Other comments helped me clear my thoughts,

[Hornlist] RE: Oils/ Piston/Bearing etc.

2006-04-14 Thread ken
I just wanted to point out that the difference between Bearing and Rotor/Piston oils is viscosity. Bearing oils tend to be much thicker, and in some cases are un-necessary. If your horn has extremely tight valves I suggest using rotor or piston oil on ALL surfaces - even the bearings. When I reb

[Hornlist] Re: Leadpipes on 8d

2006-04-14 Thread jjhornman
I wouldn't worry so much about fooling with leadpipes. A lot of brass players have huge misconceptions about how easy brass repair is, and let me tell you from an amatuer horn tinkerers experience that brass repair is in no way as big of a deal as a lot of us think it is. Of course neither is

Re: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please

2006-04-14 Thread Paul Mansur
Sorry. Long distance analysis just doesn't work for me. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 01:05 AM, christine williamson wrote: Greetings Listers, I need some advice! My horn has recently started to need oiling much more frequently, sometimes two or three times in one day

RE: [Hornlist] Music Making and Mozart

2006-04-14 Thread Hans.Pizka
Both Allegros were written on separate & distant occasions. They are separate movements, but put together to have no.1 Concerto. But the Eb-Concerto no.3 K.447 was the first completed concerto & published such as op.92. The first Allegro in D is dated end 1782, while the Rondo Allegro 6/8 is prob

[Hornlist] Oil Advice

2006-04-14 Thread Jay Kosta
I have never had a 'gumming' problem with Al Cass oil, but it is fairly light-weight. Al Cass is designed as a 'piston valve oil', not as a 'bearing oil' for rotary valves. Sewing machine oil is heavy-weight and usually of very good quality. You could try a mixture of 1 part sewing oil with 4 part

Re: [Hornlist] leadpipes on 8D

2006-04-14 Thread Gretchen
I have a K series 8D that was and is a very fine horn. Having said that, it needed a valve job which Walter Lawson did 3 years ago. I was amazed with the result. After the valve job the horn was better than it had ever been, even when new. Notes centered much better, particularly in the high reg

RE: [Hornlist] Music Making and Mozart

2006-04-14 Thread Bill Gross
I am not sure I understand what this means, "the two separate movements in D (which we know today as no.1 concerto)." Were the two separate movements put into on piece by later editors or is it all that remains of a complete work? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Hornlist] RE: Oil Advice

2006-04-14 Thread christine williamson
Hello everyone and thankyou very much for all your suggestions and advice! I'll try a change of oil first and then if there is no immediate improvement check with a repairman. And yes,Joe, I think you're right, I'll send it away to someone who knows about horns, only not as far as New York! I l

RE: [Hornlist] RE: Oil Advice

2006-04-14 Thread Joe Scarpelli
Chris, I forgot to add, that Ken and Bob aren't the only reputable repairmen that provide quality service. There are others like Dave Weiner. If you tell this list where you are, I'm sure they will be more than happy to direct you to one who is close. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From

RE: [Hornlist] RE: Oil Advice

2006-04-14 Thread Joe Scarpelli
Now Chris, with advice like that why would you want to give your horn to a local repairman who seldom works on horns? I would recommend shipping it to someone like Ken or Bob Osmun who work on horns everyday. Get some bubble wrap, peanuts and a large box and ship it to a qualified repairman. It is

[Hornlist] RE: Oil Advice

2006-04-14 Thread ken
If your valves are still clanky after oiling it probably is in need of a valve service - which is the re-machining of the bearing plates to remove all lateral and vertical motion. (the only motion a rotary valve should make is just that - rotary). That being said - if it has mechanical linkages t

RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please

2006-04-14 Thread R. Saylor
At 06:51 PM 4/14/06 +0900, you wrote: I'm going to try a change of oil (also perhaps get something a little thicker as the valves may not be quite so snug anymore -is this a good idea?) and I can't help wondering about the weather aspect as it has been quite extreme recently. Maybe it will even

RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please

2006-04-14 Thread christine williamson
(Sorry for the delay in replying but I was called away suddenly as we were going out to dinner!) > - Original Message - > From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, this horn seems to have passed some years. Look at the > linkage, if there is some "mobility" at the connections of >

RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please

2006-04-14 Thread Hans.Pizka
Well, this horn seems to have passed some years. Look at the linkage, if there is some "mobility" at the connections of the arms, where metal "clonks" metal, perhaps. If you hold both arms & they seem to allow a bit of movement at the connections, bring the horn to a repairman to get it fixed. What