100 hornist in concert wrong, because the horn week end is the 27/28 march in 3 days. And look at the website in a little week, you will see maaaaaaaaany hornist (I hope) ;-) Claudine from http://www.french-horn.be
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Horn Digest, Vol 15, Issue 25 > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the entire digest in your reply. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay (Hans Pizka) > 2. Extra horns for Mahler 1st, New York City (Joel Lazar) > 3. Re: Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay (skirshner) > 4. Holy cow! I've been Pizka'ed! (Jay Sewell) > 5. Re: Holy cow! I've been Pizka'ed! (Fred Baucom) > 6. Re: 100 hornist (phirsch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > message: 1 > date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:19:50 +0100 > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) > subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay > > I would say, I should demonstrate the right use of the double horn as a > HORN & not as an Altotrombone. > > Too much freedom for beginners, perhaps voting included, well, we know > the results at any audition !!!! > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:15 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay > > In a message dated 3/22/2004 9:30:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I in large part agree with Jay, but just to stick my 2 cents in, why > not > > have a competent hornist play for the student the F horn and then the > > B-flat, and see which the student best relates to in terms of sound, > color > > or timbre? I have a friend, a trumpet player, who teaches beginning > grade > > school band. She says they help students choose an instrument based > on how > > the student relates to the different sounds of the various=20 > > instruments. > > Good idea. You can demonstrate the Bb, and Hans can demonstrate the F > horn. > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 2 > date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:05:29 -0500 > from: Joel Lazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Extra horns for Mahler 1st, New York City > > Forwarded to the Horn-List at the request of the conductor, Sybille > Werner, for whose professionalism and dedication to Mahler I can attest: > > The New York Symphonic Arts Ensemble is looking for competent hornists > to join us for the "Verstaerkung" after Rehearsal 56 in the finale of > Mahler 1 > > Concert March 28, 3 pm, warm-up rehearsal at 1 pm. > > Julia Richman Auditorium, 317 E. 67th at 2nd Ave. > > There may also still be a spot or two in the section or as assistant. > > Remaining rehearsals Thursday 3/25 7:30 - 10, dress Saturday 3/27 2-5, > all at Julia Richman. > > If interested, please contact Ms. Werner directly: > > 212-567-2881 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Many thanks in advance! > > Joel Lazar > Bethesda MD > > PS: just to forestall the inevitable query, yes, she DOES plan to ask > the section to stand. > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 3 > date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:17:06 -0600 > from: "skirshner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay > > Manners, Capt. P. > > S. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:55 AM > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay > > > You did it again !! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of skirshner > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:31 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay > > I hit the send button before cutting out the excess. Sorry. > > Shel > ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 4 > date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:02:30 -0800 > from: "Jay Sewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Holy cow! I've been Pizka'ed! > > Well, I always wondered whether I would ever get "cabbaged", but I never > thought I would be the target of one of HP's vicious diatribes. In this > case, a well-intentioned post on a subject that I thought had some use in > the discussion of the group , and one in which I had personal experience, > was misunderstood and turned into this unwarranted, blistering attack. That > HP can reach some of the far-reaching conclusions about me personally based > on a short post to the list is just short of miraculous. However, I've been > on the list for seven years now, and I know that trying to explain the > difference between what I was trying to say and how HP understood what he > thought I was saying is probably a waste of time. But since some of the > accusations are just plain wrong and uncalled for (not to mention being > presented to a world-wide forum), I feel it necessary to at least try to set > the record straight for other listers who may be interested. If not, do the > usual list thing and delete or scroll on down to the next message. > > My message was this. I was simply conveying my personal experience that > even though I started on the single Bb horn (and only played it one year), > it is possible for one to switch to the double horn and learn the true horn > sound . I had neither the choice of horn nor the advantage of having a > family member being a world class hornist to steer me in a different > direction at that stage of my life. I have played now 34 years, 33 on a > standard double using the F side for the mid/lower range with the Bb side > assisting the upper range the occasional tricky passage. I do NOT play on > the Bb side full time. In fact, of the hour a day I can find time to > practice, a large part of that time is spent doing parts of the Farkas > warmups, which are done totally on the F horn! I neither advocate the > practice of full time Bb horn playing, nor do I condemn it. Those who do > advocate it are free to follow their own concepts of playing. It is just > not mine. > > Now, some point-counterpoint > > HP: "Jay, may-be you have never heard the true horn sound, the real horn > sound. There is a big difference between beginners on Bb-horn like you & > beginners on F-Horn" > > Me: The first statement is just not true (the second is the typical cheap > shot). Fact is, after getting my first double (junior high school), I > immediately began formal studies with a local symphony player (Jim Sours, OK > City Symphony) who happened to live down the street from me. He studied > with the likes of James Chambers, Marcus Fisher, Roy Waas, and others. > Needless to say, he was epitome of the so-called Philly/Chambers school > (yes, he played a Conn 8D) and I idolized his playing and tried my best to > emulate his sound. And he was a firm teacher, which I also admired. I > continued my studies through high school with Jay Andrus (Houston symphony), > a second generation Chambers student and 8D player. So yes, I have heard, > and been instructed in, the true horn sound. > > > HP: "The F-horn beginners have the advantage of up to five overtones > sounding > with the main note & thus enriching the tone, while the Bb-horn players > have one or two co-sounding overtones, which are not enough to enrich > the tone significantly." > > Me: I am in total agreement with that statement. I never said otherwise. > Read my message again. > > > HP: "As you said about the F-horn concept "whatever it means", this confirms > that you have no idea about it. No wonder as you came from trumpet > concept." > > Me: As to the first statement, I do have to admit that this was a poor > choice of words, and in fact I had intended to delete that part before > sending, but forgot. It was stated as sarcasm and it had no place in the > point I was trying to make. The second statement is, again, just the usual > cheap shot. The only thing that was "trumpet concept" were the fingerings > involved - NOT the sound! Cheap shot! > > > > HP: "There is another difference between the two horns: > If you play on the Bb-horn or Bb-side, you can listen a certain > air-noise (shhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr), which you cannot hear on the F-horn or > the F-side. The sound sounds clear on the F-horn. Admitted, the Bb-horn > has advantages for certain security, some technique except the "sharp > tonalities", some intonation, some attack, but never for the tone." > > Me: Other than to repeat what I said above about the fact that I don't play > on the Bb side of my double horn at all times, I totally agree with this > statement. > > > > HP: "And , Jay, why don't you let the Opinions to those, who REALLY play the > horn, means WORK with the horn every day, the whole year, for dozens of > years. Have you ever read the OPINION of the professionals here on the > list ? I think, you avoided it, as you have a fixed & preset opinion, > which does not allow you to listen to others (Well, this is a disease > often found in the amateur community, sorry.) > > Me: Here's where I really got steamed. I was originally responding to the > opinion of someone who was NOT a professional (read my message again!). I > do listen to the opinions of the professionals on the list. Always! Ever > wonder why you don't see many postings from me? It's because my place is > to read and learn what I can (at least what is possible through the > internet) from the people who know. I have also spent a large amount of my > hard-earned money and vacation time every year since 1998 attending both > weeks of the annual Kendall Betts Horn Camp. I do so only for two reasons: > 1) friendships and comraderie that span the country, and 2) to try and be > the best musician I can be commensurate to my chosen career field (which is > not music). Read that as "amateur", as in "one who does something for the > love and pleasure, not for money; non-professional." I am a true amateur, > and I'm not ashamed of it. Further, Kendall has seen fit to entrust me with > assisting him in judging the camp scholarship applications and audition > tapes to determine which students will receive the scholarships . If > Kendall believes I know good playing when I hear it, that's good enough for > me. > > And as for my fixed and preset opinions, I believe the above paragraph > proves otherwise. Someone with a closed mind has no need to go out of their > way study with the fine faculty Kendall always brings in. I work hard at > becoming better, and for no other reason than for the pleasure of it. > > I will agree to the last statement about the "disease often found in the > amateur community". Sad but true, but it does not apply to me. > > > HP: " I have seen "horses vomiting" ! > > Me: Huh? What? > > > HP: "Why did you change the horn so often ? I stayed with the single F > Pumpenhorn until 24, with the Alex 103 until 35, the Selmer until 40, my > own design (after Ganter) since 1983." > > Me: Another attempted cheap shot, but I'll address it anyway. Except for > the natural horn (Seraphinoff, which was bought in order to further my horn > experience and historical interest), I have only played two horns in my > adult playing experience - a Conn 8D for 20 years, and the Lawson for the > last 4 years. The rest were played because that's what the schools gave me > to play. > > Apologies to the list for the length of the post, but I could not let this > pass without a response. I hope this is all I need to say on the matter. > > Best to all, > > Jay Sewell > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 5 > date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:36:29 -0800 > from: "Fred Baucom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Holy cow! I've been Pizka'ed! > > Bravo, Jay! Well said.... > > Fred > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Sewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:02 AM > Subject: [Hornlist] Holy cow! I've been Pizka'ed! > > > > Well, I always wondered whether I would ever get "cabbaged", but I never > > thought I would be the target of one of HP's vicious diatribes. In this > > case, a well-intentioned post on a subject that I thought had some use in > > the discussion of the group , and one in which I had personal experience, > > was misunderstood and turned into this unwarranted, blistering attack. > That > > HP can reach some of the far-reaching conclusions about me personally > based > > on a short post to the list is just short of miraculous. However, I've > been > > on the list for seven years now, and I know that trying to explain the > > difference between what I was trying to say and how HP understood what he > > thought I was saying is probably a waste of time. But since some of the > > accusations are just plain wrong and uncalled for (not to mention being > > presented to a world-wide forum), I feel it necessary to at least try to > set > > the record straight for other listers who may be interested. If not, do > the > > usual list thing and delete or scroll on down to the next message. > > > > My message was this. I was simply conveying my personal experience that > > even though I started on the single Bb horn (and only played it one year), > > it is possible for one to switch to the double horn and learn the true > horn > > sound . I had neither the choice of horn nor the advantage of having a > > family member being a world class hornist to steer me in a different > > direction at that stage of my life. I have played now 34 years, 33 on a > > standard double using the F side for the mid/lower range with the Bb side > > assisting the upper range the occasional tricky passage. I do NOT play on > > the Bb side full time. In fact, of the hour a day I can find time to > > practice, a large part of that time is spent doing parts of the Farkas > > warmups, which are done totally on the F horn! I neither advocate the > > practice of full time Bb horn playing, nor do I condemn it. Those who do > > advocate it are free to follow their own concepts of playing. It is just > > not mine. > > > > Now, some point-counterpoint > > > > HP: "Jay, may-be you have never heard the true horn sound, the real horn > > sound. There is a big difference between beginners on Bb-horn like you & > > beginners on F-Horn" > > > > Me: The first statement is just not true (the second is the typical cheap > > shot). Fact is, after getting my first double (junior high school), I > > immediately began formal studies with a local symphony player (Jim Sours, > OK > > City Symphony) who happened to live down the street from me. He studied > > with the likes of James Chambers, Marcus Fisher, Roy Waas, and others. > > Needless to say, he was epitome of the so-called Philly/Chambers school > > (yes, he played a Conn 8D) and I idolized his playing and tried my best to > > emulate his sound. And he was a firm teacher, which I also admired. I > > continued my studies through high school with Jay Andrus (Houston > symphony), > > a second generation Chambers student and 8D player. So yes, I have heard, > > and been instructed in, the true horn sound. > > > > > > HP: "The F-horn beginners have the advantage of up to five overtones > > sounding > > with the main note & thus enriching the tone, while the Bb-horn players > > have one or two co-sounding overtones, which are not enough to enrich > > the tone significantly." > > > > Me: I am in total agreement with that statement. I never said otherwise. > > Read my message again. > > > > > > HP: "As you said about the F-horn concept "whatever it means", this > confirms > > that you have no idea about it. No wonder as you came from trumpet > > concept." > > > > Me: As to the first statement, I do have to admit that this was a poor > > choice of words, and in fact I had intended to delete that part before > > sending, but forgot. It was stated as sarcasm and it had no place in the > > point I was trying to make. The second statement is, again, just the usual > > cheap shot. The only thing that was "trumpet concept" were the > fingerings > > involved - NOT the sound! Cheap shot! > > > > > > > > HP: "There is another difference between the two horns: > > If you play on the Bb-horn or Bb-side, you can listen a certain > > air-noise (shhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr), which you cannot hear on the F-horn or > > the F-side. The sound sounds clear on the F-horn. Admitted, the Bb-horn > > has advantages for certain security, some technique except the "sharp > > tonalities", some intonation, some attack, but never for the tone." > > > > Me: Other than to repeat what I said above about the fact that I don't > play > > on the Bb side of my double horn at all times, I totally agree with this > > statement. > > > > > > > > HP: "And , Jay, why don't you let the Opinions to those, who REALLY play > the > > horn, means WORK with the horn every day, the whole year, for dozens of > > years. Have you ever read the OPINION of the professionals here on the > > list ? I think, you avoided it, as you have a fixed & preset opinion, > > which does not allow you to listen to others (Well, this is a disease > > often found in the amateur community, sorry.) > > > > Me: Here's where I really got steamed. I was originally responding to the > > opinion of someone who was NOT a professional (read my message again!). > I > > do listen to the opinions of the professionals on the list. Always! Ever > > wonder why you don't see many postings from me? It's because my place is > > to read and learn what I can (at least what is possible through the > > internet) from the people who know. I have also spent a large amount of > my > > hard-earned money and vacation time every year since 1998 attending both > > weeks of the annual Kendall Betts Horn Camp. I do so only for two > reasons: > > 1) friendships and comraderie that span the country, and 2) to try and be > > the best musician I can be commensurate to my chosen career field (which > is > > not music). Read that as "amateur", as in "one who does something for the > > love and pleasure, not for money; non-professional." I am a true amateur, > > and I'm not ashamed of it. Further, Kendall has seen fit to entrust me > with > > assisting him in judging the camp scholarship applications and audition > > tapes to determine which students will receive the scholarships . If > > Kendall believes I know good playing when I hear it, that's good enough > for > > me. > > > > And as for my fixed and preset opinions, I believe the above paragraph > > proves otherwise. Someone with a closed mind has no need to go out of > their > > way study with the fine faculty Kendall always brings in. I work hard > at > > becoming better, and for no other reason than for the pleasure of it. > > > > I will agree to the last statement about the "disease often found in the > > amateur community". Sad but true, but it does not apply to me. > > > > > > HP: " I have seen "horses vomiting" ! > > > > Me: Huh? What? > > > > > > HP: "Why did you change the horn so often ? I stayed with the single F > > Pumpenhorn until 24, with the Alex 103 until 35, the Selmer until 40, my > > own design (after Ganter) since 1983." > > > > Me: Another attempted cheap shot, but I'll address it anyway. Except for > > the natural horn (Seraphinoff, which was bought in order to further my > horn > > experience and historical interest), I have only played two horns in my > > adult playing experience - a Conn 8D for 20 years, and the Lawson for the > > last 4 years. The rest were played because that's what the schools gave > me > > to play. > > > > Apologies to the list for the length of the post, but I could not let this > > pass without a response. I hope this is all I need to say on the matter. > > > > Best to all, > > > > Jay Sewell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 6 > date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:31:55 -0500 > from: "phirsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Re: 100 hornist > > > Was there supposed to be a picture of 100 horns playing at the Monceau Horn > Weekend on the site of the Belgian horn society? I navigated around for a > while and saw numerous candid snapshots of participants and the hall, but > no mass horn choir. Where did I go wrong? > > Just wondering, > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > End of Horn Digest, Vol 15, Issue 25 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
