Mark & Hornfolks

My first answer to Mark's question below is 'who cares?' No one cares, honestly.

I have a lot to say in another planned long post on perfect pitch but would 
like to answer this one individually, please.

My opinion explained; it DOES NOT MATTER about 'having a 440=A pitch because no 
ensemble on this earth ever keeps to a 440=A unless they are a major orchestra 
and have a real oboe player with good ears who doesn't use 'the box' and 
EVERYONE takes time to tune instead of piddling around with valve oil or 
gossiping with the brass section or showing off with the Siegfried Horn Call.

You know what I think of the box..stamp on all of them as far as I'm concerned.

One with perfect pitch is 'cursed' as I said because we must adapt to whatever 
A the ensemble is providing; be it ever so many cents off.  I have played in 
ensembles that gave 3 separate A's, all different.  It was absolute torture for 
me.  You have no idea what that was like unless it has happened to you.

My father has a Steinway piano tuned to a 440A.  I learned for 8 yrs on that 
piano and my pitch was tuned to that A.  However, the moment I got into my 
elementary school band and jr high band and high school  band; the A's changed 
radically.  I could no longer use the 440A as the clarinets were flat; the 
tubas didn't know where the pitch was; the flutes were sharp, the trumpets 
played so loudly that no one could hear anyhow, and most of the time I could 
not hear what I was playing myself and had no idea what KEY the group was in.

In my opinion, the only thing distinguishing a true 'perfect pitch' person is 
this: one can self-generate (ok sing) any tone, IN TUNE within a few cents of 
the usual identifiable tone, and properly identify the note.  I will not even 
go into 'temper tuning'; that is for pianos, not for people like us and the 
temper tuning method is complex beyond belief-and the notes are OUT OF TUNE 
(the piano is in tune with itself but the notes themselves are out of tune in a 
particular formula in order to make the piano in tune with itself)  Weird but 
true, ask any piano tuner.

Unless you sit at your little Steinway the rest of your life or you manage to 
properly tune your horn in a practice room, your A will change daily.  And the 
moment you leave the practice room to play a gig someplace; you are now at the 
mercy of whatever A they use there.  Unless, they recognize you as someone with 
perfect pitch and accept your A (but there ARE 11 other pitches too and you 
cannot 'temper tune' an ensemble at all; the mechanics of doing this are beyond 
anyone's skill except a piano tuner (and he only does pianos)).

The worst part of the curse is if you play in a constantly out of tune 
ensemble, your pitch recognition will change and your pitch will go off and 
then you will have to think about what you are 'generating' and wonder if it is 
even correct.  Even worse than this is when your pitch is 'off' and you can no 
longer properly distinguish some intervals; then you are truly in trouble 
because now your 'relative pitch' has gone by the wayside.

And no one cares about pitch anyhow because in an ensemble, relative pitch is 
everything and perfect pitch matters not a hoot unless you love to transpose 
and can hear all the 12 tones and read down all the clefs.  At any rate; that 
is only something a person with good perfect pitch and transposition skills can 
benefit from.

The transposition bit is meant for horn players who get handed trombone or 
trumpet parts to play at the last minute, or horn players in chamber music 
workshops who get handed off the viola part to the Dumke Trio (play the thing 
in D horn and you will be fine).

One more thing; if you sing in an a capella choir.  Forget it.  They will go 
flat on you; and although YOU are the only one truly on pitch; everyone else is 
laughing at you because you are the only one they hear who is OFF pitch.

I do have a lot of other responses to other posts but wish to incorporate them 
into one single post in order not to flood the hornlist.  This is going to take 
some time.

best wishes
Rachel Harvey

>question for those with perfect pitch .  Within how many cents is >your pitch 
>perfect to tuned piano with 440=a?
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