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Greg Campbell wrote:
- much good explanation about vienna and
Greg Campbell wrote:
- much good explanation about vienna and piston valves snipped -
> Of course the easiest way to understand is to examine one closely.
Would that this were not an expensive proposition. Nothing would delight me
more than to own examples of each.
Thanks very much - I will re
Steve Freides wrote:
What is the difference between a piston valve and a Vienna valve?
Until this point, I had assumed they were the same thing.
Vienna horn pistons actually slide through the tubing in which the air
travels through the valve. Regular (trumpet) pistons operate
perpendicular to
demonstrates the smoothness of rotories, and lack of 'valve
pop'.
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In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Ti
2006 4:16 PM
> To: horn@music.memphis.edu
> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
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>
> >From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> why do
> modern horns
> >use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read
> >suggests that piston
From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
why do modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I
have read
suggests that piston valves are superior
Steve,
Modern manufacturing has made this moot, but this was the "old school"
thoughts on the matter:
Piston Valves ar
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I have a Besson Eb tuba and Besson baritone with
compensating valves that have enough ports to make a double,
so it can be done on a very high quality
On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
From this picture, it seems that the "throw" of a piston valve is
fairly
long compared to the relatively short distance one must depress the
lever on
a rotor valve - is that right?
Quite correct. These have no relationship to V
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> At 5:43 PM +0100 3/13/06, Hans.Pizka wrote:
> >It is quite complicate to construct full double horns with piston
> &g
At 5:43 PM +0100 3/13/06, Hans.Pizka wrote:
It is quite complicate to construct full double horns with
piston valves, as said earlier, while compensating horns are
built by the Selmer company. They also might have pictures
on their web site.
http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Selmer.jpg
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Hans Pizka wrote:
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> Question: why should a piston valve horn sound better than
a rotary
> valve horn ?
>From http
Hans Pizka wrote:
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> Question: why should a piston valve horn sound better than a
> rotary valve horn ?
>From http://www.andrewpelletier.com/vienna.htm - which includes you as one
of the resources:
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What makes this instrument so incredible and different from the rotor va
In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:40:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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May-be, the piston valve requires more bends in the
tubes than on the rotary valve double horn.
I was thinking about that, too. I've never seen a piston valved double horn
- only a single horn so
.
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Paul Mansur wrote:
> French double horns, and a lot of single horns around the
> world used piston valves. I have an old King with piston
> valves. Unless pressed just right, piston valves tend to
> drag. I think this would be difficult for most right handed
> folk to do with their left han
French double horns, and a lot of single horns around the world used
piston valves. I have an old King with piston valves. Unless pressed
just right, piston valves tend to drag. I think this would be
difficult for most right handed folk to do with their left hand. The
motion seems to be bet
Probably a question of design. Since it's easy to allow for double and
triple horns with rotor valves it would be very difficult to do so with a
piston
valve because the valve would have to be either very long or dual sided
somehow.
Right?
-William
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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:12 -0700
I would think with the extra height needed to design around vertical
(piston) valves, the double and triple horns would become unwieldy and
probably unac
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Subject: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
This is, no doubt, the question of a novice and an amateur, but why do
modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I
This is, no doubt, the question of a novice and an amateur, but why do
modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read
suggests that piston valves are superior, and since similar valves are in
use in other brass instruments, I wonder why they are not used in more
horns?
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