Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-15 Thread Kit Wolf
> I am surprised that a bunch of horn players, who live and die by their > understanding of the harmonic series, failed to see such similar > proportionalities in the metronomic scale. The article I posted to about Maelzel explained that he designed his scale specifically to keep the increments be

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread David Goldberg
Steve Burian wrote: RE: Metronome "Scale" Take the first 17 numbers: 40 42 44 46 48 50 52 54 56 58 60 63 66 69 72 76 80 Notice that they count by twos from 40 to 60. Then by threes. Since 60-80 can't be divided evenly by threes he (Maelzel?) fudged by counting fours at the end. "fudged" m

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread Steve Burian
RE: Metronome "Scale" Take the first 17 numbers: 40 42 44 46 48 50 52 54 56 58 60 63 66 69 72 76 80 Notice that they count by twos from 40 to 60. Then by threes. Since 60-80 can't be divided evenly by threes he (Maelzel?) fudged by counting fours at the end. Here is a "logorhythmic" scale I

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread Steve Freides
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wells123...@juno.com wrote: > Electric train or steam locomotive?  Details matter. Diesel. -S- > Valerie Wells > "The Balanced Embouchure" for French Horn > >> If you are in a moving train with your metronome set at 66, how fast does >> the train have to go, an

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread wells123...@juno.com
Electric train or steam locomotive? Details matter. Valerie Wells "The Balanced Embouchure" for French Horn > If you are in a moving train with your metronome set at 66, how fast does the > train have to go, and which way, so that a stationary observer measures 63? > How could you and the sta

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread Kit Wolf
Just another quick point: Looking at Maelzel's metronome scale, 38 of 40 are divisible by 2 (20 expected) 30 of 40 are divisible by 4 (10 expected) 19 of 40 are divisible by 8 (5 expected) In view of this, the fact that about 50% are divisible by 6 doesn't seem obviously special. Kit __

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread Kit Wolf
Aside from disagreeing with the reasoning behind Hans' assertion that all good composers should avoid using the 'in-between metronomes', it strikes me that the question of whether or not they do is something that can be tested pretty readily. I picked 3 Eulenberg scores off my bookshelf and copied

AW: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-14 Thread Prof.Hans Pizka
Hello Steve, that´s the point, which divides us in Europe & our art from yours (on average), our perception of the relations of colors to your perception, it also divides the Africans with their superb feeling for relations in all kind of art (special their most natural feeling for colors !) fro

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-13 Thread Steve Freides
David Goldberg wrote: > If you are in a moving train with your metronome set at 66, how fast does > the train have to go, Very fast. > and which way, toward the equator. > so that a stationary observer measures > 63?  How could you and the stationary observer play a duet? Very carefully. > W

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-13 Thread William.S.Gross
Don't forget the cat. Is it dead or alive? Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2009, at 2:47 PM, David Goldberg wrote: If you are in a moving train with your metronome set at 66, how fast does the train have to go, and which way, so that a stationary observer measures 63? How could you and th

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-13 Thread David Goldberg
If you are in a moving train with your metronome set at 66, how fast does the train have to go, and which way, so that a stationary observer measures 63? How could you and the stationary observer play a duet? Would one of you have to transpose? If so, to what key? What kind of mouthpiece sh

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-13 Thread Steve Freides
No, I get the point, but I do not agree. H. L. Mencken wrote, "There is always an easy solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong." There are ways in which music works like the others arts you mention such as architecture, and there are ways in which is does not. There is nothin

AW: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-13 Thread Prof.Hans Pizka
= -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Greg Campbell Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Mai 2009 02:22 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-12 Thread Kit Wolf
In my previous post I gave a link to a page about the development of the metronome: Maelzel, who patented the metronome in 1815 apparently came up with the scale. He appears to have been admirably methodical about it, doing experiments to see what the smallest noticeable difference in tempo is, at

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-12 Thread Kit Wolf
In my previous post I gave a link to a page about the development of the metronome: Maelzel, who patented the metronome in 1815 apparently came up with the scale. He appears to have been admirably methodical about it, doing experiments to see what the smallest noticeable difference in tempo is, at

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-11 Thread Steve Freides
Uh, yes, you quoted all the numbers I have on all my metronomes - what's that got to do with multiples of 6? I make it a point to give a list of all the traditional metronome markings, the very ones you've listed, to aid in their practice - no need to increase by 1 beat per minute, I agree. -S-

Re: [Hornlist] metronome multiples of 6 [was: Mendelssohn Nocturne]

2009-05-11 Thread Greg Campbell
Steve Freides wrote: I don't see his point - what's so special about multiples of 6? In this age of digital metronomes, many people don't remember the "traditional" graduations on the metronome. These graduations were set up so that each "click" of the metronome represented about a 4-5% in