RE: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread scott44y
20:48:34 +0100> From: daniel.canaru...@unifi.it> To: > horn@music.memphis.edu> Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol > 74, Issue 17> > - Message from c.j.l.w...@newcastle.ac.uk -> > > > > > I just don't think the expla

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Kit Wolf
Thanks Daniel, I'm starting to agree with Martin that I've been thinking about it too much... I'm happy to accept it's probably down to chance. ~~ I wrote to a friend who plays historical instruments for a living, and just got the following reply: "[Out of a collection of 200 horns] the

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread daniel . canarutto
- Message from c.j.l.w...@newcastle.ac.uk - I just don't think the explanation is complete. In physics there is a very important mechanism called "symmetry breaking": a physical system may set down in a state which breaks the symmetry of the general laws it obeys to. In ma

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Kit Wolf
The search term is 'catholic fingering' + whatever instrument you're interested in. The historic brass society has an article on it: The “Catholic” Fingering – First Valve Semitone Reversed Valve Order in Brass Instruments and Related Valve Constructions by Joe R. Utley and Sabine K. Klaus, 2003 H

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Martin Bender
ect: Fwd: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17 From: Martin Bender To: The Horn List Begin forwarded message: From: Martin Bender Date: February 12, 2009 9:20:45 AM GMT-05:00 To: c.j.l.w...@newcastle.ac.uk, The Horn List Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 7

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Kit Wolf
And another one: http://www.usd.edu/smm/Brass/Cornets/Graves/5257/5257Gravescornet.html Kit > http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/misc/Livain-fr-horn.jpg > > and > > http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/Senecaut/Senecaut-P-2-valve-FH.jpg > > Both of

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Kit Wolf
http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/misc/Livain-fr-horn.jpg and http://www.horn-u-copia.net/picture.php?show=./instruments/Senecaut/Senecaut-P-2-valve-FH.jpg Both of which have the tone valve 1st. But! http://www.usd.edu/smm/UtleyPages/DoublePistonValves/DoublePiston

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Martin Bender
Just a thought here-- try and imagine how much progress one might achieve by re-focusing the same amount of (extremely valuable!) mental energy expended in debating this pedantic issue, to practising orchestral excerpts. In utmost deference to those involved, I believe that one's time is be

Re: AW: AW: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 17

2009-02-12 Thread Kit Wolf
> Kit, we do not live in the middle ages nor in the time of the Romans nor in Germany or Austria after WW1, when they also drove on left side. Neither do we live in the time of 2-valved piston horns. But the question we're asking, is where and when do conventions originate? We can't discuss these