I think the information belongs in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data the other one is too structured to touch. I'll add some technical details in but perhaps you could have some one look over the changes. I don't think I've changed the flow too much and I've omitted the idea of validating on a new project.
Thanks John On 11 February 2016 at 14:31, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > I think we could do with more information on LearnOSM - the current > content is <http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/> > http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/review/ & a couple of mentions in the > Tasking Manager section. > > I'm sure there is more information in other sources as well as the wiki > link > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data > > If you and a couple of other people could put a guide together & run it by > a few people (Training Working Group?), I'd be happy to take the resulting > document & format the text to place it on LearnOSM. Grab a few screenshots > as well - I'll do the formatting, but I don't have time to actually write > the text at the moment - I can cope with copy & paste & then format the > outcome. > > Regards > > Nick > > > On 11/02/16 18:29, Russell Deffner wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Validation is a ‘beast’ of a discussion that in my opinion has been > addressed in two parts: teaching/training validators and technical changes > in the Tasking Manager. I for one completely support building a > ‘white-list’ option (or otherwise the option to ‘appoint’ validators) into > the TM; however don’t want to ‘spam’ the list too much, so I think this is > the ‘most current’ and on-point issue in github: > <https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599> > https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599 > > > > However, on the training side of things; we have built a ‘higher-level’ > type of course for validation here: <http://courses.hotosm.org/> > http://courses.hotosm.org/ but it is specific to HOT Disaster Mapping; > there has been talk about a module for ‘general’ validation on LearnOSM, > and Nick or someone closer involved with the Training Working Group can > probably tell you more about that. > > > > In either case, I think there is plenty of room for improvement. > > > > Cheers, > > =Russ > > > > *From:* Nick Allen [mailto:nick.allen...@gmail.com > <nick.allen...@gmail.com>] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:19 AM > *To:* john whelan > *Cc:* HOT@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [HOT] How newer mappers can help a lot with the validation > process > > > > There is a wiki article at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data > > It needs updating. > > Nick (OSM=Tallguy) > my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes! > > On 11 Feb 2016 15:49, "john whelan" < <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In there somewhere in a wiki or some such where we can document > validation, what works and why and what to look for? Perhaps put down some > sort of service level agreement ie after validation we are only looking for > what is requested in the instructions and for a JOSM validotian to be run. > We expect 97% of settlements to be mapped type thing? That way people who > wish to validate have something to feel confident about. > > We need to get more people into validation. > > Thanks > > > > Cheerio John > > > > On 11 February 2016 at 09:56, Jo < <winfi...@gmail.com>winfi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > If such a volunteer becomes more confident after a while, they shouldn't > hesitate to actually validate the task, if all was mapped well and they > didn't have to add/change much. > > When I look at finished tiles, I start with the intention to validate it. > If I have to do too much work on it, I will sometimes simply unlock once > again, either leaving a note it's actually complete now. > If there is still more work than I have time for at that time, it's better > to "invalidate", so another mapper knows where more work is needed. > > Polyglot > > > > 2016-02-11 14:47 GMT+01:00 Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com>: > > > That is a good point John, if anyone does a second look to map in missing > buildings in a "completed" task square you should leave a comment on the > task square that says you looked over the completed task square and filled > in all the missing buildings you could find. > > For sure it is not a waste of time to review completed task squares, but I > agree, it probably only needs one going over before validation. > > In addition, this is a very helpful way for new mappers to become better > mappers and contribute to an urgent priority project to get done well and > fast. > > Tiny task squares help, but stuff still gets missed and often we don't get > the validation stage completed in time, no matter how important it is so an > informal review makes a big difference if that is what a volunteer wants to > do and can contribute. > > > > Cheers, > Blake > > > > On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, john whelan wrote: > > I'm not sure this is the best use of our very limited number of > mappers. Just scanning a tile takes time, so the optimum use of mapper > time is to have them scan once when they map and have a validator scan > once. > > For a productivity point of view its better to have new mappers split > the tiles twice and map a tiny tile completely than have twenty of them > go over the same area. From the same point of view its better to have > them map where we have good imagery than map where quote "You may have > to squint a bit". Mapping whilst squinting takes more time to map the > same area than mapping where the imagery is good. No matter where they > map it will be useful to someone if not a short term MSF or American Red > Cross project and to be honest if something like Ebola crops up having > fairly good mapping of existing highways and villages in place before > you start helps those projects in the field at least plan out what and > where. > > Cheerio John > > On 10 February 2016 at 10:28, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com > > <mailto: <bgirar...@gmail.com>bgirar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just want to mention, that new mappers can really help with the > validation process by doing what they typically do: Map in roads and > buildings but into "Completed" task squares. > > You do not need to mark a task square "Validated", but just > reviewing the completed squares and filling in missing things or > fixing up buildings that might not be mapped very well (squaring up > the rectangular buildings :) is immensely helpful. > > I wrote a short OSM Diary entry that says basically the same thing: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot/diary/36235 > > I just thought I would mention it because if you see projects on the > Tasking Manager that look "done" just know you can always help a bit > more by reviewing "Completed" task squares just to double check > nothing was missed even if you do not feel experienced enough to > "Validate" a task square. > > This is especially true for projects where we have made a call for > more mappers on the email list or via twitter. Double and triple > checks to make sure the mapping in the instructions is actually > complete really helps in the process and gets the people on the > ground the best data we can possible generate for them. > > Cheers, > Blake > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > > <HOT@openstreetmap.org>HOT@openstreetmap.org <mailto: > HOT@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > -- > > Nick > > Volunteer 'Tallguy' for > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team > > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy >
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