Nick et al, Being a newbie, but having been able to get along to the recent MSF and BRCS London mapathons to get some guidance as to what I'm doing, I'd certainly appreciate feedback on the mapping I've done. I'm keen to know what I may have been doing wrong (inaccuracies; misinterpretation of what I'm seeing on the images; too much or too little detail, i.e. knowing when it's time to hit complete). How that feedbcak is delivered, I'm pretty easy, but just having the comments by the validator alerted to me in some way appears straightforward and I can just go back to the square to check. It validators can paste errors / issues maybe to a scratchpad, then it'd be somewhere where we could go to learn from others.
Robert (RobertRS). On 31 August 2014 11:49, <hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 00:52:15 +0100 > From: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> > To: Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr>, Charlotte Wolter > <techl...@techlady.com>, "hot@openstreetmap.org" > <hot@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating & TM2 - a send message button? > Message-ID: <540263af.1090...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Pierre, > > A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in > order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing > something wrong, or don't know how to do something. > > The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to > check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to > improve. The validation process is good for this as well as quality > control - but it would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper > to receive the comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them. > > I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the > validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they > opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer help, > and I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are > asking for this feedback. > > It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so > we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further. > > Regards > > Nick (Tallguy) > -- > > Nick > > Volunteer 'Tallguy' for > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy > > Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for > http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk > <mailto:treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20140831/8b3242c7/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:07:42 +0200 > From: Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com> > To: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> > Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers > Message-ID: > < > ca+y5pb+hv5fclqvrpxemjqd00medlti7zbl7baweggax4js...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > Thinking aloud, would not be possible (actually asking tech people) to have > a tool allwing the following: > - detecting changesets with hotosm hashtags and picking up the username > - comparing the username to a list of HOTOSM contributors and stating if it > is new or not and already validated for a certain numbers of quality items > (like drawing buildings correctly, drawing roads correctly, tagging roads > correctly, etc.) > - when contributors have not been validated yet, a task is sent to a > validation team > - one team member picks up the task, check, validate the work of the > contributor and contact her/him if some mistakes. A form would be great, > with checkboxes for typical errors, and if making a typical one, the > contributor would receive in the answer link to the Learning point (there > are already quite a few in LearnOSM) dedicated to this error > - once done the hotosm contributor quality status for this contributor > would be: good for such and such aspects, bad for such and such ones and > the latter would then be tasked in the future for validators as soon as > this contributor would submit a new changeset > > Thoughts? > > Sincerely, > > Severin > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Pierre, > > > > A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in > > order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing > something > > wrong, or don't know how to do something. > > > > The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to > > check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to > improve. > > The validation process is good for this as well as quality control - but > it > > would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the > > comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them. > > > > I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the > > validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they > > opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer help, > and > > I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are asking > for > > this feedback. > > > > It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so > > we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further. > > > > Regards > > > > Nick (Tallguy) > > -- > > > > Nick > > > > Volunteer 'Tallguy' for > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy > > > > Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for > > http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20140831/108ffed2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:57:40 +0200 > From: Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com> > To: Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com> > Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating & TM2 - a send message button? > Message-ID: > < > cabuouo-u33xu-smpbeh_mpz46kqlkwaespfueodx1clfaoz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > IMO, IRC can be used for quick requests and quick help. It's a lot easier > to offer help over a chat channel than over some messaging system that > requires a page refresh in order to get the messages. > > Just including a link to here https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot > with some explanation could be enough (users only have to chose a nickname > and click "Start"). A more integrated solution would be to embed the chat > client in the tasking manager (see https://kiwiirc.com/embedding). > > If the channel becomes too crowded, it can always be split into multiple > channels (f.e. per task). > > For longer-term help. I think the querying system I proposed earlier would > be good enough. With some default queries (i.e. show all tiles you closed), > it would be able to show a lot of conversations at once. > > Regards, > Sander > > > 2014-08-31 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com>: > > > Pierre, > > > > A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in > > order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing > something > > wrong, or don't know how to do something. > > > > The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to > > check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to > improve. > > The validation process is good for this as well as quality control - but > it > > would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the > > comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them. > > > > I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the > > validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they > > opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer help, > and > > I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are asking > for > > this feedback. > > > > It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so > > we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further. > > > > Regards > > > > Nick (Tallguy) > > -- > > > > Nick > > > > Volunteer 'Tallguy' for > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy > > > > Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for > > http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20140831/685f1205/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:49:13 +0200 > From: Ralf Stephan <gtrw...@gmail.com> > To: Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com> > Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating & TM2 - a send message button? > Message-ID: > <CAMNHCDs= > l9movknu9ppu056559cgt-ttm9nnu-qpj1y+qft...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't understand this. Why require people to ask and use another link? > Give direct feedback on a tile, that's what's needed. Irc is a time waster. > On 31 Aug 2014 11:00, "Sander Deryckere" <sander...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > IMO, IRC can be used for quick requests and quick help. It's a lot easier > > to offer help over a chat channel than over some messaging system that > > requires a page refresh in order to get the messages. > > > > Just including a link to here > https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/hot > > with some explanation could be enough (users only have to chose a > nickname > > and click "Start"). A more integrated solution would be to embed the chat > > client in the tasking manager (see https://kiwiirc.com/embedding). > > > > If the channel becomes too crowded, it can always be split into multiple > > channels (f.e. per task). > > > > For longer-term help. I think the querying system I proposed earlier > would > > be good enough. With some default queries (i.e. show all tiles you > closed), > > it would be able to show a lot of conversations at once. > > > > Regards, > > Sander > > > > > > 2014-08-31 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nick Allen <nick.allen...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Pierre, > >> > >> A help channel or some form social help channel would be good, but in > >> order to ask for help, the mapper needs to realise they are doing > something > >> wrong, or don't know how to do something. > >> > >> The new mappers in this thread are consistently asking for someone to > >> check their work, and provide feedback so they know what to do to > improve. > >> The validation process is good for this as well as quality control - > but it > >> would be nice if we made it easier for the new mapper to receive the > >> comments, and if needed for the validator to pass them. > >> > >> I don't know if it is easily achievable, but perhaps a system where the > >> validators comments are more easily available to the mapper, unless they > >> opt to not receive them. I know that MSF & BRC were keen to offer help, > and > >> I know that the few mappers that have replied to this thread are asking > for > >> this feedback. > >> > >> It would be good if more mappers replied, especially if they are new, so > >> we have an idea as to whether it is worth investigating further. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Nick (Tallguy) > >> -- > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy > >> > >> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for > >> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20140831/1047852c/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 59 > *********************************** >
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