Having spent considerable time fixing iD editor squares non-square buildings, with random shared nodes, connected to roads, and areas, getting a better first time result is so important.
I pains where you come across a square that they have clearly spent quite a lot of time mapping all the ins and outs of buildings. Stuart -- Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 On 19 November 2017 at 15:52, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM < blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote: > Hi, > > A lot of this would be addressed if iD had a building mapping tool > like JOSM does. I am going to restart the effort to get that added in > to iD, I have some new ideas for how we might be able to accomplish > it. I think it would save literally hundreds of hours volunteer time > fixing buildings that are mapped by new mappers and help new mappers > increase their productivity and accuracy. > > iD is by far the more approachable editor for OSM, it runs on any > desktop or laptop with zero installation issues and has a great > built-in tutorial, so I think we would be well served by helping > improve iD. > > If there are any JS wizards out there who want to help complete the > building tool for iD (it is already started, just not completed) > please contact me directly :) > > Cheers, > Blake > > > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:40 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > and I totally concur with what Ralph has said. > > > > We asked people who were attending to install JAVA before they arrived > and I > > had josm-tested.jar available on a DVD to minimise the stress on the wifi > > network. I had a USB DVD device with me and a bag of mice. The particular > > maperthon I was at was a one off affair but we had someone from the local > > OSM group mention how to find the monthly meetings where mapping took > place. > > > > Note I had two machines available that had JAVA, JOSM with the plugins > > already installed so it was just a matter of "come in, sit down, create > an > > account, wiggle the mouse now you've mapped your first building." > Upload, > > then we got them to install JOSM on their own machine and when we > downloaded > > the tile again their previous mapping was there which reinforced the idea > > that they were mapping on a live database. > > > > It could be just me but my feeling was we got a bit more engagement with > > JOSM as they could see the underlying tags and having shown one mapper > how > > to join up two rectangles for an L shaped building I asked them to show > > another mapper how to do it when they wanted to know which helps on the > > confidence building side. > > > > For highways there is less to choose between the two editors but for > > buildings certainly for accuracy currently JOSM and the building_tool > plugin > > wins hands down. > > > > I think the large maperthons have their place but perhaps we need more > > mini-maperthons? > > > > Cheerio John > > > > On 19 November 2017 at 03:07, <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> A useful guide to running your Mapathon can be found here > >> http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/ > >> > >> > >> > >> There is no hard and fast rule to running a successful Mapathon. As I > >> point out, each Mapathon will evolve at it’s own pace and in it’s own > >> direction dependent the expertise of the people organizing and leading, > on > >> the people attending, the facilities available and the number of people > >> involved. > >> > >> > >> > >> As to the choice of Editor used, I agree with John that JOSM is > preferred, > >> unfortunately that choice is not always available. We have found that > >> dealing with new mappers using school or corporate computers/laptops it > is > >> not always permitted to download other programmes, or if you have a > large > >> group uploading/downloading at the same time can cause problems for the > >> available WiFi, and with one really large group we overloaded the OSM > >> server. So our choice is to start the large group of new mappers with iD > >> Editor so that we can get them mapping as quickly as we can and then > deal > >> with any questions they have during the session. > >> > >> > >> > >> I do not count any success on how many squares have been completed > >> although it is encouraging to the group to be shown at the end how much > >> their contribution has advanced the project they are working on. I > prefer to > >> concentrate on getting the mappers to a stage where they are comfortable > >> with their mapping and confident enough to try mapping further on their > own > >> at home and hopefully interested enough to return for further guidance. > >> Going around the room and looking at what they are doing is paramount to > >> this success. Telling them that they have got it and their work is good > >> gives them the assurance they need to continue and even become more > >> adventurous, so John is correct in saying that the one-to-one does show > more > >> promise and achieve better mapping. Even stopping to show a new mapper > how > >> to improve and correct their work has a very positive effect on their > >> confidence. > >> > >> > >> > >> Working with small groups definitely is an advantage because of the > >> personal attention they can get, but will be more effective it you can > get > >> them meeting on a regular basis to build on their experience and skill > with > >> the various tools on JOSM. > >> > >> > >> > >> At the London monthly Mapathon we have three training sections running > at > >> the same time … iD , JOSM and Validating. And it is up to the > individual as > >> to which session they sign up to. If they want to start straight away > with > >> JOSM they are welcome to do so. The mappers know that there is going to > be a > >> Mapathon on the first Tuesday of every month so it becomes a fixed date > on > >> their calendar which does help with returning mappers. We also keep the > >> email addresses of attendees and they will get invited back to future > >> Mapathons with an Eventbrite invitation. > >> > >> > >> > >> As a guide to success I would point you to the fact that most of the > >> trainers at the London Mapathons started off as newcomers and have > stayed > >> and progressed, a number of attendees have gone on to start up mapping > >> groups at their universities. Also at universities and corporate offices > >> where we have run Mapathons they have started up inhouse Mapping > Parties and > >> Mapathons of their own. > >> > >> > >> > >> Martin Dittus gave us some statistics early on in the process of > evolving > >> the London Mapathons which showed approximately 30% return rate but it > >> tailed of quickly, which is why we decided to offer the returning > mappers > >> the option of going onto JOSM, this helped the retention of mappers and > now > >> we also have a MidMonth Mapathon for experienced JOSM mappers to get > >> involved in more advanced work. > >> > >> > >> > >> To sum up, yes JOSM is desirable in getting good building mapping and > very > >> definitely when the mapping moves into dense city centres or slums where > >> they are built butting up against each other. But then for people with > no > >> previous map experience the learning curve is very steep, having to > learn > >> about OSM, the Tasking Manager, the Editor, read Satellite Imagery, > drawing > >> the features and also tagging correctly so reducing this slightly by > using > >> the iD Editor to start with does make sense when you have a limited > time to > >> get them started. > >> > >> > >> > >> If you have any questions regarding getting started or running your > >> Mapathon feel free to email me and I will try to help where I can. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope some of this might be useful. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> Ralph > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> HOT@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Blake Girardot > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >
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