Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Elsa Culler wrote: > Hi, > > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter) > were asked to come up with a list of roadblocks we have run into in > trying to volunteer effectively. Mel Chua asked me to forward it to > these lists, so here is the list in text format: Than

[IAEP] Sugar Camp - Hard Problems

2008-11-23 Thread David Farning
I would like to thank everyone who contributed to make SugarCamp II a success. From an organizational and personal perspective I was hard on a lot of people. Hard, but I hope equally hard on everyone. OLPC and SL are working on hard problems. Many of the problems we are struggling with are unso

Re: [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, this is awesome feedback. I'm going to speak from the SugarLabs perspective. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Elsa Culler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter) were > asked to come up with a list of roadblocks we have run i

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Elsa Culler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter) > > were asked to come up with a list of roadblocks we have run into in > > trying to volunteer effectively. Me

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Elsa Culler wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Last night at sugarcamp, we(people from the Olin college OLPC chapter) >> > were asked to come up

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
This seems like a cool teachable moment if you are interested in learning more about learning theory and vocabulary. The Sugar community is a Community of Practice CoP - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice The feedback of the Olin people is on inadequacy of the "legitimate peripher

[IAEP] Sugar is an ? (Application Framework?)

2008-11-23 Thread C.W. Holeman II
I have modified the Sugar application stack wiki page http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack#The_Sugar_stack to have row headers. Each row is for a layer in the application stack. They are: * Library Collections (e.g., for the Browse Activity) * Sugar Activities * Sugar *

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This seems like a cool teachable moment if you are interested in learning > more about learning theory and vocabulary. > > The Sugar community is a Community of Practice CoP - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_p

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
+1 > > embedding > mibbit or cgiirc in our wiki? > > Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:22, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > +1 > >> >> embedding >> mibbit or cgiirc in our wiki? >> > I'll work on that in [[IRC]], as well as explaining all the different channels. (this will have some duplication from [[olpc:IRC]]) I think Mibbit, while not

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread David Farning
Caroline, Do have suggestions for other readings about how Communities of Practice form and operate, particularly in the field of education. I feel like I have my head wrapped around documentation, development, and deployment COP's. I am still totally confused how to engage educators. There se

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello All. I think of most importance facilitate the access to teachers and others in relation to IRC. mailists etc..they are not tech savvy so we have to lower the barrier access to this tools of communications. Embedding mibbit in the wiki is a way to do so, i've done it in a Wiki and the respo

[IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
All, In order to facilitate non-developer use, I'd like to propose the addition of the following: - #sugar-users - a channel for non-development "how do I use this" questions, akin to #olpc-help - a sugar-users mailing list for the same purpose Is this acceptable, or is some discussion

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Caroline, > > Do have suggestions for other readings about how Communities of > Practice form and operate, particularly in the field of education. I > feel like I have my head wrapped around documentation, development, >

[IAEP] Library content, the largest future group of contributors

2008-11-23 Thread C.W. Holeman II
Here are some comments on the Sugar Camp Brainstorm session. Sugarcamp (http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp_proposal) had a link to: http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua/proposals#Sugarcamp_brainstorm > SugarLabs the easiest open education/educational technology > community for people (especially new

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Seth Woodworth
Instead of creating a new channel, why don't we merge with olpc-help and rename it if need-be. There's no reason to have two separate channels when 95% of the help will be the same information. --seth On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > In order t

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > In order to facilitate non-developer use, I'd like to propose the addition > of the following: > > #sugar-users - a channel for non-development "how do I use this" questions, > akin to #olpc-help I don't see a nee

Re: [IAEP] Library content, the largest future group of contributors

2008-11-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM, C.W. Holeman II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are some comments on the Sugar Camp Brainstorm session. > Sugarcamp (http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp_proposal) had a link to: > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mchua/proposals#Sugarcamp_brainstorm > >> SugarLabs the

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk

2008-11-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:39 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Caroline, > > Do have suggestions for other readings about how Communities of > Practice form and operate, particularly in the field of education. I > feel like I have my head wrapped around documentation, development, >

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > In order to facilitate non-developer use, I'd like to propose the addition > of the following: > >- #sugar-users - a channel for non-development "how do I use this" >questions, akin to #olpc-help > > Do we

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
n Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 17:16, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Do we want to use IRC for this? IRC is not that familiar to nondevelopers. > > I do like the idea of a synchronous place to get help. We have a Moodle > install and that can have chat but who would be there to answer the

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Seth Woodworth
there is the cgi::irc package that the OLPC forums are using: forums.laptop.org/chat < wrote: > n Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 17:16, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Do we want to use IRC for this? IRC is not that familiar to >> nondevelopers. >> >> I do like the idea of a synchronous p

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 17:39, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > there is the cgi::irc package that the OLPC forums are using: > > forums.laptop.org/chat Yes, but in my opinion Mibbit is easier to use for new users, and has the bonus of not requiring us to host it ourselves. -lf _

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 17:39, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> there is the cgi::irc package that the OLPC forums are using: >> >> forums.laptop.org/chat > > > Yes, but in my opinion Mibbit is easier to use f

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 17:48, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 although i wonder if one can customize the embedded widget > To a point, yes. See http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Uri_parameters and http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget. -lf ___

[IAEP] TurtleArt-18

2008-11-23 Thread Walter Bender
Announcing TurtleArt 18: .XO: http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/1/1c/TurtleArt-18.xo SOURCE: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-16.tar.bz2 Turtle Art has been rebased to use SVG instead of GIF. I made the change in order to make it easier to localize. The other changes in

[IAEP] Anyone going to 25C3?

2008-11-23 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hi all, I briefly wanted to check in to see whether anyone here is planning on attending 25C3 (http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/) in Berlin at the end of December? I'll be there from the 27th to the 29th, I've heard that some people from OLPC France are also planning to attend and it looks as t

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] TurtleArt-18

2008-11-23 Thread Gary C Martin
Not meaning to pull Walter up on this, but... Are the Acitivity wiki pages still not getting version updated (yes I know it's a complicated undocumented mess of wiki spaghetti that no one has bothered telling the community about)? There's a whole bunch of activity releases that have floated

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Caroline Meeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Luke Faraone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> All, >> >> In order to facilitate non-developer use, I'd like to propose the addition >> of the following: >> >> #sugar-users - a channel

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 21:56, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is this Moodle? I don't see anything about it in the Wiki. > http://schools.sugarlabs.org/ > > We could use the window into IRC on the wiki page idea that came up > > earlier. If we do we should be sure to also in

[IAEP] Collaboration on ubuntu

2008-11-23 Thread victor rajewski
First up, sorry if this isn't the place for this discussion, but I understand that specialised discussion lists are still evolving... I've been attempting to set up a sugar network on a classroom of PCs running ubuntu intrepid, to let students (young and old) have a play with it. It installs and r

[IAEP] SCALE 7x conference Call for Papers

2008-11-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
Who wants to participate? SCALE 7x Call For Papers - 2 weeks left From: Ilan Rabinovitch Date: November 18, 2008 To: Edward Cherlin Status: Pending Hello, I hope you are doing well. I wanted to take a moment to send you a quick reminder about the call for presentations for the 7th Annual Southern

Re: [IAEP] Proposal: IRC channel and mailing list for support

2008-11-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Seth Woodworth wrote: > Instead of creating a new channel, why don't we merge with olpc-help > and rename it if need-be. > > There's no reason to have two separate channels when 95% of the help > will be the same information. If we do our job well, the number of Sugar users who do not have an XO i