Re: [IAEP] Debrief of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry launch for all teams

2009-07-03 Thread Bill Kerr
Thanks for detailed and comprehensive report Sean. I hadn't understand the importance of visuals and your report explained that very clearly. btw your report doesn't contain any links - I found the gallery page http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=gallerypage=gallery but still wasn't sure

Re: [IAEP] changes in outlook with Sugar (was Re: Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW)

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: My preference -- as you can guess now -- is to understand how can we aim for wider tools and approaches that take advantage of social dynamics. These will be perhaps less directly effective in their feedback loop

[IAEP] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Bill Kerr
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: 7. I'll be giving a keynote at GUADEC [http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/]; my plan is to both introduce Sugar to the broader desktop community (with the goal of recruiting more contributors), to sing the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Also noticed recently that NN reacted against the netbook terminology: http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/07/xo-is-not-netbook.html Negroponte: Kids in Ethiopia don't have the internet in a nearby cloud ... I like the phrase.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Sean DALY
Netbook is not a neutral word and as such is a very useful one. It's important however to make a context distinction: the word makes no sense in developing countries which lack Internet infrastructure let alone electricity in rural areas. So it's perfectly understandable that Professor Negroponte

Re: [IAEP] changes in outlook with Sugar (was Re: Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW)

2009-07-03 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Erick, All very good and well thought through comments. And these points are the take off places that many thoughtful people have arrived at over the last many decades. One of the grandparents of this line of thinking was the Plato project at the University of Illinois in the 60s, which

Re: [IAEP] Physics

2009-07-03 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Subbu, As usual you ask really good and deep questions (which I have a hard time answering at all, let alone briefly!). Actually, I passed out several documents to OLPC at a countries meeting a few years ago (a book that we had written for teachers containing about a dozen of these

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-07-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/2 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: I don't know Tomeu, what do you think? I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they need from the development team to succeed. Your plan for the marketing team sounds excellent to me, but David's proposal goes way beyond that team.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Walter Bender
When we began the project, I lobbied to call it a Children's Machine (CM) in reference both to Seymour Papert's book and as a reference to the CM series of connection machines that Danny Hillis created at Thinking Machines, another effort where they through away the rules to make a solution to fit

Re: [IAEP] View Slides an alternative to PowerPoint?

2009-07-03 Thread Sameer Verma
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:43 AM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: A real simple alternative to powerpoint/impress that looks and smells like it, but with maybe really limited functionality would be loved by teachers everywhere, At least, all the teachers I have met rely very heavily

Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing

2009-07-03 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 15:29, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever distro... It would be a necessary requirement for country level deployments...

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-07-03 Thread Sean DALY
Tomeo, the essence of what I am saying is: the development team should chart a course and stay on it (time-based releases seem to be working well), and the downstream distros (particularly XO-1.5 and SoaS) then the marketing team should take it from there. Which mustn't preclude feedback from the

Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing

2009-07-03 Thread Kevin Cole
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:58, Luke Faraonel...@laptop.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 15:29, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever distro... It would be

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: ... I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market. ... Even in the developed world, the Internet is not everywhere, e.g., most classrooms, and as much as it has been good for the

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Bastien
Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com writes: When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but network-book! XO-1s do this by default, we should push this capability into any Wi-Fi enabled device

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-07-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 17:06, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Tomeo, the essence of what I am saying is: the development team should chart a course and stay on it (time-based releases seem to be working well), and the downstream distros (particularly XO-1.5 and SoaS) then the marketing team

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 18:03, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't know that we should decide to push a name change on the market. ... Even in the developed world, the Internet is not

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-07-03 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2009/7/2 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: I don't know Tomeu, what do you think? I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they need from the development team to succeed. The idea is that *all* of

Re: [IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-07-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 19:00, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: 2009/7/2 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: I don't know Tomeu, what do you think? I sincerely don't know but I hope that someone will explain what they

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Bauer
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com writes: When we speak of netbooks, we can highlight Sugar's intrinsic ability to network and collaborate without the Internet; so, not Internet-book, but network-book! XO-1s do

[IAEP] Village electricity and Internet

2009-07-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
From my daily Google alert on OLPC, two of the essential pieces of the Earth Treasury mission. I have been wishing for a way to get these services into every accessible refugee camp and region of oppression, and here it is. I have called him to discuss how Gnuveau/SolarNetOne might collaborate

Re: [IAEP] Village electricity and Internet

2009-07-03 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: From my daily Google alert on OLPC, two of the essential pieces of the Earth Treasury mission. I have been wishing for a way to get these services into every accessible refugee camp and region of oppression, and here it

Re: [IAEP] Google Docs and Power Point

2009-07-03 Thread Jim Simmons
Sameer, The issue of what to do with existing Power Point slides can probably be handled by using Google Docs, which can import existing Power Point presentations from your hard drive. Once imported you could download them as PDF's for the Read Activity. I haven't tried importing a presentation

[IAEP] Get Internet Archive Books Activity version 2 now available

2009-07-03 Thread Jim Simmons
Get Internet Archive Books version 2 is now available. It has a new icon and is much more robust than version 1. It can download PDFs as well as Deja Vu format. The screenshots at ASLO tell the story. They finding and downloading books by L. Frank Baum, who wrote the Oz books and many others.

[IAEP] Measure Log?

2009-07-03 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi... One of our Contributors Program clients is trying to interface a sensor with the Measure Activity. He says he has updated his software which probably means he is using V.21. He wants to be able to record and save the results of his input. We have both looked at v.21 and at the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Bill Kerr
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: When we began the project, I lobbied to call it a Children's Machine (CM) in reference both to Seymour Papert's book and as a reference to the CM series of connection machines that Danny Hillis created at Thinking

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-03 Thread Bill Kerr
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote: From: K. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote: what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work in finding strong models of phenomena compared to