Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread DancesWithCars
It doesn't get much better than a language [co-] author Alan Kay recommending their language! SmallTalk is under the hood as mentioned before and a pure object oriented language, in that everything is an object. Xerox PARC machines (dolphins?) had smalltalk, but I didn't have much access to them

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Caryl Bigenho wrote: So I have a question for you folks. I am in discussion with a college CS prof who would like to teach beginning programming with XOs. He is interested in trying several different languages, but I am interested in pointing him toward the one that would result in the

Re: [IAEP] XO Special interest group at Sugar Labs

2009-09-26 Thread DancesWithCars
more inline and reviewing, highlighting/ commenting on the original posting/ thread below that... On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 9/24/09, DancesWithCars danceswithc...@gmail.com wrote: From: DancesWithCars

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-news] Election status update

2009-09-26 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 02:20:43AM -0400, DancesWithCars wrote: Then a frozen membership list, first before a call for elections. Please don't spread FUD. This has been discussed over a month ago: From: Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:59:33 -0400 Message-ID:

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112)
Caryl, in part: the consensus is Python so far. (a) the sample is too small for a consenus. (b) why JUST one language? ~~ if your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems tend to look like nails (c) J (d) other candidates: LISP, LOGO, Forth (e) It's an educational project: that screams

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Caryl Bigenho
OK, the consensus is Python so far. Can he do that strictly on XOs? How does he package it to share as an Activity? Can he do it on a Mac or PC and then package it for Sugar? I think he would really like to do it all on the XO. Is this possible? How does it get from terminal mode to being a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-news] Election status update

2009-09-26 Thread Sean DALY
It's always difficult to come up tp speed with an active project list. And technological barriers exist. I myself can only do the most basic wiki editing, and I struggled with the trac system; but I have learned how to moderate the Marketing mailing list and participate in IRC discussions only

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Chris Leonard
Caryl. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team A great deal of useful information about developing activities for the Sugar environment can be found on the Sugar Labs wiki. I would recommend starting with this page and following links from there. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team

Re: [IAEP] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread DancesWithCars
I also did some Fortran, IBM 360 Assembler (failed that one?) Basic was very painful, as had better elsewhere, but did a little project in HS with it, iirc. A local kid has [obsconded with] my Scratch cards, but I've got his stuffed penguin as collateral... 'Insanity is inherited, you get it

Re: [IAEP] installation problem

2009-09-26 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:28 AM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Alan Kay
Actually, I wasn't recommending it, but just pointing out that it does run everywhere (including the XO but doesn't need any particular OS), is powerful, etc. My deep beliefs are that problems have special natures whose solutions are greatly aided by languages/notations that fit them and

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-news] Election status update

2009-09-26 Thread DancesWithCars
more inline On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 02:20:43AM -0400, DancesWithCars wrote: missing the lead up paragraph Then a frozen membership list, first before a call for elections. Please don't spread FUD. It's

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Walter Bender
I don't know what is on the Solution Grove iso, but you can probably get a hint as to why Write is failing to launch by examining the log file for Write, which is available through the Log activity. regards. -walter On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
can you LOGO in an image from the camera? gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112) wrote: Caryl, in part: the consensus is Python so far. (a) the sample is too small for a consenus. (b) why JUST one language? ~~ if your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems tend to look

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread gerry_lowry (alliston ontario canada (705) 250-0112)
Yamandu Ploskonka asked: can you LOGO in an image from the camera? -- why not? it might require an extension to LOGO (do not know) otoh, why? if your only tool is a hammer, all of your problems tend to look like nails -- use LOGO for its originally intended purpose -- I do not have a

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Gerald Ardito
Walter, Thanks for the suggestion. When I examine the log file, here's what I see: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import sha Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/sugar-activity,

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Gerald, On 27 Sep 2009, at 01:35, Gerald Ardito wrote: Walter, Thanks for the suggestion. When I examine the log file, here's what I see: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Gerald Ardito
Gary, This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of a version of SOAS that she put together for me. Gerald On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Gerald, On 27 Sep 2009, at 01:35, Gerald Ardito wrote: Walter, Thanks for

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Gerald Ardito
Makes sense. I'll follow up with Caroline. Thanks so much. Gerald On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 21:52, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.comwrote: This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of a

Re: [IAEP] SOAS Write problem

2009-09-26 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Gerald, Many thanks for the feedback. On 27 Sep 2009, at 02:52, Gerald Ardito wrote: Gary, This image came from Caroline Meeks at Solution Grove. It came as part of a version of SOAS that she put together for me. Gerald OK, looks like a SoaS build mistake. Caroline, just a quick

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Which Language?

2009-09-26 Thread Jim Simmons
Caryl, I would agree with the others that Python is your best choice. Most Activities use at least some Python, and all three of mine are entirely in Python. You might look at the source for View Slides, Read Etexts and Get Internet Archive Books as examples of what can be done entirely in