Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 23:35 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard escribió: > I started the evaluation, but didn't continue. > Is a larger task than I can do with the time I have today. > Particularly, because it should be working with new and the old > toolbar. I've asked two Activity Central developers to

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-13 Thread Gary Martin
Hey Bernie, On 13 Jul 2010, at 15:08, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 23:35 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard escribió: > >> I started the evaluation, but didn't continue. >> Is a larger task than I can do with the time I have today. >> Particularly, because it should be working with ne

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 22:13 -0400, C. Scott Ananian escribió: > Are iPad-class devices (such as the XO-3) or touchscreen devices (such > as the XO-1.75) counted as "mobile devices"? > > There will shortly be a large number of iPad-style devices on the > market. The hackable ones will probably

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-13 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
On 07/13/2010 08:05 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > I can't > think of one good example of an educator or a businessman who came to > our community with a good proposal and could make it happen successfully > within Sugar Labs. I think Sean Daly might be such a businessman. He has definitely succee

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-13 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Am 13.07.2010 21:05, schrieb Bernie Innocenti: > (I hope my next statement won't result in a flame-war on hardware) > > My sense is that iPad-like devices with no physical keyboard may be good > for reading books and watching videos, not so good for creating content. > Hence, they may not support

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 22:13 -0400, C. Scott Ananian escribió: Bernie, thanks for responding. I hope you understand that my message wasn't meant as a flame on SugarLabs or y'all's work, just as "constructive criticism". My hope is tha

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Tim McNamara
On 15 July 2010 07:04, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> Are developers using Sugar as their day-to-day development > >> environment yet? > > > > Certainly not me... I'm not even sure it will ever happen. Even > [...] > > However, I've seen many teachers using Sugar. Not just Browse. They also > > use

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > I think an honest assessment would indicate that OLPC has done some > initial work on supporting touchscreen devices, but that SugarLabs has > not (so far). (...) SugarLabs is where many developers get together. Similar to 'linux dev comm

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> I think an honest assessment would indicate that OLPC has done some >> initial work on supporting touchscreen devices, but that SugarLabs has >> not (so far). (...) > > SugarLabs

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > I think it's highly inappropriate to say that eating your own dogfood means > that software developers, or even teachers, should use Sugar. Sugar is an I (personally) view this as an important part of Sugar's scalability goals. "Low floors,

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 13-07-2010 a las 16:04 +0100, Gary Martin escribió: > > I've asked two Activity Central developers to upgrade Pippy and Physics > > to the new toolbars. > > FWIW Physics-5 is out with new toolbar support among other things. So > was Akash from AC? Yep :-) > Well, I think we still need

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-14 Thread Gary Martin
On 15 Jul 2010, at 04:10, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Tue, 13-07-2010 a las 16:04 +0100, Gary Martin escribió: > >>> I've asked two Activity Central developers to upgrade Pippy and Physics >>> to the new toolbars. >> >> FWIW Physics-5 is out with new toolbar support among other things. So >> w

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bernie Innocenti's message of Wed Jul 14 00:05:34 + 2010: > BTW: who's using the XO-1 in tablet mode? (Supposing you mean the ebook mode rather than using the tablet mode of the touchpad) I am regularly, but only for reading (Read / xpdf, Browse / conkeror, sometimes long email t

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tim McNamara's message of Wed Jul 14 19:54:40 + 2010: > I think it's highly inappropriate to say that eating your own dogfood means > that software developers, or even teachers, should use Sugar. Sugar is an > environment that is used by teachers to create learning environments f

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: >> > Are developers using Sugar as their day-to-day development >> > environment yet? > I do while I'm using my XO-1.5. I even integrated my MUA with the Journal > using datastore-fuse. [1] Hey, I like that! ... > Wow, they use a whopping thre

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: >> > Are developers using Sugar as their day-to-day development >> > environment yet? > I do while I'm using my XO-1.5. I even integrated my MUA with the Journal > using datastore-fuse. [1] That sounds very cool! Can we package your hacks? I

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 14-07-2010 a las 15:04 -0400, C. Scott Ananian escribió: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > El Mon, 12-07-2010 a las 22:13 -0400, C. Scott Ananian escribió: > > Bernie, thanks for responding. I hope you understand that my message > wasn't meant as a flame on S

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2010 Goals Review

2010-07-16 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 01:17:12PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: > >> > Are developers using Sugar as their day-to-day development > >> > environment yet? > > I do while I'm using my XO-1.5. I even integrated my MUA with the Journal > > usi