Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only status report is a bunch of individual bug reports, there is a high barrie

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case > of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a > smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only > stat

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 > running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other > distributions has caught up in terms of activity support. FWIW, I am keeping an eye on this, hoping th

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Sevior
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one)

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 > > running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other > > distributions has caught up in terms

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread David Van Assche
God I a m happy u stated the needed. We hqd a presentation in Grqz, Austria, where basically we walked out like idiots. We got loqds of feedback, which is what my message as about... but fact remains SoaS, be if fedora (a slight bit better) or ubuntu.. we as educators, marketers can only shake our

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I am dogfooding a bit with the Fedora SoaS. My Thinkpad X40 ... Excellent news. Here's to more SL'ers doing the same :-) >> Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar >> platform and test interop with the XS. > > Yes,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> Im gonna try and make this easy: >> >> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >> Speak - it will not even launch

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread David Van Assche
well this entire conversation was really brought about because I couldnt practice speech with my 2 nephews... Im sorry if I crossed the line a bit, but I think what I said needed to be said... SoaS is indeed the best plqtform right now and the kids not only loved it (one 9 the other 3) they needed

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Sean DALY
It is absolutely vital that SoaS boot/install work in a reliable way. Any nongeek user who can't use it will not bother reporting precise bug information, and moreover will lose motivation to try it again. In the case of branded USB sticks boot/install failures will make Sugar Labs appear as a crud

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread David Van Assche
hey there sean essentially there is no difference between SoaS and cd the problem comes from the distro specific intricacies, which can be many more than devs care to admit... I agree.. this is not a usable product unless it alll works... saying oh welll speak doesnt work because of x o

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:14, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, I see frustration but I'm having trouble knowing who should have done something and failed to do it. Can we get a list of issues, each of them with a list of people that may be able to do something about them? Thanks, Tomeu On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:16, David Van Assche wrote: > hey ther

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:57:22AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to do to get >those packs working is type ./configure --with-libabiword > >I know because I took the painful step of doing it in

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 16:22, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:57:22AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >>you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to do to get >>those packs working is type ./configure --with-lib

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 11.02.2009, at 10:59, Morgan Collett wrote: > >> etoys > > This is packaged, but I think we're still missing a bit - the actual > sugar activity for etoys. I don't personally have the time to work on > it because I'm working on the above (and the actual glucose packages). What needs to be done

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:57:05PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >On 11.02.2009, at 10:59, Morgan Collett wrote: >> >>> etoys >> >> This is packaged, but I think we're still missing a bit - the actual >> sugar activity for etoys. I don't personally h

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:29:52PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 16:22, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:57:22AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >>>you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Debian POV: Someone needs to volunteer packaging "sugar-etoys-activity". > Drop an email to debian-olpc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org . > > Ubuntu POV: Someone needs to volunteer hacking[1] together a sugar > activity package until a Deb

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24:20AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Debian POV: Someone needs to volunteer packaging >> "sugar-etoys-activity". Drop an email to >> debian-olpc-de...@lists.ali

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On 2/11/09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24:20AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >>On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>> Debian POV: Someone needs to volunteer packaging >>> "sugar-etoys-activity". D

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On 2/11/09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24:20AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >>On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>> Debian POV: Someone needs to volunteer packaging >>> "sugar-etoys-activity". D

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:27PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >On 2/11/09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24:20AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >>>On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard >>>wrote: >>> Debian POV:

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:27PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On 2/11/09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24:20AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: On Wed, Feb 11,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:27PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On 2/11/09, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > >> Maybe we're just thick, but neither Morgan nor I were able to use >> your >> git README.packaging to upgrade a package to a n

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but > I > > can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. > > [Getting pretty hot...] LOL.. any and all feedback is greatly appreciated! For example, in v9 I finally re

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:26:28PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:38:27PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >> 1) You consider packaging Pippy and sugar-base my way equally >

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > No need to get into details of what exactly is flawed with my packaging > style, or how you would do things differently: I'm just trying to see if I'm missing something as far as the workflow. Simply put, the commands given in your REA

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 03:38:04PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >> No need to get into details of what exactly is flawed with my >> packaging style, or how you would do things differently: >

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one)

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:06:44PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: >On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: >> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >> upon (much more importantly) >> >> Im gonna try and m

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-14 Thread Mike Lee
By the way, I just got SoaS running on an Intel Classmate 3. It was easy to do. But as others have said, there's more work to do to beef up the activities. I'm excited! I will be presenting this at next Saturday's OLPC Learning Club DC meeting at Gallaudet University. Photos here: http://www.flic

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-14 Thread Gary C Martin
On 14 Feb 2009, at 17:53, Mike Lee wrote: > By the way, I just got SoaS running on an Intel Classmate 3. It was > easy to do. But as others have said, there's more work to do to beef > up the activities. I'm excited! I will be presenting this at next > Saturday's OLPC Learning Club DC meeting

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 18:53, Mike Lee wrote: > By the way, I just got SoaS running on an Intel Classmate 3. It was easy to > do. But as others have said, there's more work to do to beef up the > activities. I'm excited! I will be presenting this at next Saturday's OLPC > Learning Club DC meeting

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:57, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: >> First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 >> running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other >> distributions has caught up in terms of act

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi Mike, Is it ok if I blog about this on schoolkey.net? Do you have a blog post about it I can link to? I can easily embed your slideshow from Flickr and it gives cusiouslee credit automatically. Thanks! Caroline On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mike Lee wrote: > By the way, I just got Soa