Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-09-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm not 100% certain we've pulled in members of the OLSR mailing lists on this thread yet. But they've actually got a number of very impressive *real world* demonstrations of OLSRd in the wild. You'll have to search the devel@ archives for 'olsr' to find the emails I sent years ago with all the d

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-09-03 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Mike, Thank you for the information! To be clear, from what I understand from our discussions in the past you're topology looks like AP(802.11A + OLSRD) - AP (802.11B/G) - XO You have several AP(802.11A + OLSRD) acting as your backbone and they drop down to standard AP (802.11B/G) f

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self > organizing routable network. Cerebro gave a great working demo of what you describe. Don't know how they compare. I think it is perfectly feasible to achieve what you want..

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > >> The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with scalability on >> sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in density. Is there any >> information available on how

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with scalability > on sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in density. Is > there any information available on how these networks perform when > there are 50 - 100 of them ne

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:26:23 am Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Reuben, > >> Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our >> closed source firmware and partnering with communities like >> Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k >> nodes in Bar

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
(...) >> >> >> BTW Richard, as far as I remember the problems with 802.11s seemed to be: >> 1) the standard is not a standard and it was intentionally crippled >> 2) the drivers were very b0rked and broken (and Marvel did a terrible job >> with the driver software) >> >> Scalability to less t

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > I'm not talking about comparison to our previous mesh. Thanks keeping me on track. > I'm talking about comparison to an AP. Overall we currently don't > have much need for "mesh" as most of our scenarios are a dense cloud > of childre

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
>>> >>> The largest of our mesh problems did not have to do with >>> scalability on sheer number of nodes but rather scalability in >>> density. Is there any information available on how these networks >>> perform when there are 50 - 100 of them next all in the same room >>> or in adjacent rooms?

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > > On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > > > Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed > > source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose > > network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is alm

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > > > Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our > closed > > source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose > > network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is al

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Aug 24, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > > On 08/24/2010 10:13 AM, Reuben K. Caron wrote: > > > Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our closed > > source firmware and partnering with communities like Freifunk whose > > network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is alm

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Chris Ball wrote: The fact that a custom mesh algorithm would have to run on the CPU -- prohibiting any kind of idle-suspend -- makes it a non-starter for an XO deployment in my eyes. Did you have any thoughts on this? Hi Chris, Great point. Thank you for brin

Re: [IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Reuben, > Consider the benefits of using open source software versus our > closed source firmware and partnering with communities like > Freifunk whose network is ~ 800 node, guifi.net is almost 10k > nodes in Barcelona, Athens Wireless is 5k nodes. The fact that a custom mesh algo

[IAEP] "Mesh" Dreams = OLSR

2010-08-24 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Where Mesh != 802.11s but rather an adhoc, self healing, self organizing routable network. Imagine a world where Sugar on a Stick machines can communicate on the same network as an XO laptop. A world where mesh capabilities are hardware agnostic allowing anyone to bring up a mesh network by