Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:21:06 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: >--- >I am told this is an institutionalized mistake: a developer of yore did >an UNPK and neglected to clear the sign nybble. IBM elected never to add >the NI which would have

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

- Except that an UNPK would leave the field 0C, not C0, so this sounds like an old programmers tale to me. No. UNPK DSNAME(7),=PL4'0' (X'000C') Would leave DSNAME = X'F0F

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

--- I am told this is an institutionalized mistake: a developer of yore did an UNPK and neglected to clear the sign nybble. IBM elected never to add the NI which would have fixed it. My surmise is that this cost far more code elsew

SV: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Peter Relson > Skickat: den 19 december 2008 13:52 > Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Ämne: Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) > > We too stumbled over the data set name allowing hyphen when > we tried to create a (new-ish, only 15 years ago) internal > da

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

n List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: 19 December 2008 15:55 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) Peter Relson wrote: > We too stumbled over the data set name allowing hyphen when we tried > to create

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Wayne Driscoll wrote: Time for me to crawl back into my cave and not make postings off the cuff, without thing thinking them through. Especially, since you now represent IBM. :-D -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-3

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Peter Relson wrote: We too stumbled over the data set name allowing hyphen when we tried to create a (new-ish, only 15 years ago) internal data set name validation routine. I don't recall how/when we re-discovered the validity of hyphen, but it certainly wasn't known to the masses. Peter Relson

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

In , on 12/18/2008 at 04:00 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg" said: >The x'C0' in LPA SVC Names is due to the 8th character in the name being >a Packed Decimal Positive Number Zoned decimal, and it's a three-digit field. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

In , on 12/18/2008 at 05:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Doesn't UNPK swap the nybbles of the last byte in the field? Yes. >Doesn't this thread belong on ASSEMBLER-LIST? No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

In , on 12/18/2008 at 04:46 PM, Wayne Driscoll said: >Except that an UNPK would leave the field 0C, not C0, so this sounds like > an old programmers tale to me. A CVD would leave the field terminating in 0C; an UNPK of the packed value would leave a field terminating in C0. -- Shmuel

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Chase, John" Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 12/19/2008 06:35 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion L

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:51:33 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: >We too stumbled over the data set name allowing hyphen when we tried to >create a (new-ish, only 15 years ago) internal data set name validation >routine. I don't recall how/when we re-discovered the validity of hyphen, >but it certainly was

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

We too stumbled over the data set name allowing hyphen when we tried to create a (new-ish, only 15 years ago) internal data set name validation routine. I don't recall how/when we re-discovered the validity of hyphen, but it certainly wasn't known to the masses. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology D

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wayne Driscoll > > Except that an UNPK would leave the field 0C, not C0, so this sounds > like an old programmers tale to me. No, UNPK "swaps" the nybbles of the rightmost byte. P'0' = X'0C'; UNPK makes it X'C0'.

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: How's your parser/syntax checker coming along, Ed? Funny you ask. In thoroughly researching this, we found a module that would STOW members that had not first gone through member name syntax checking. Hilarious! It would accept *ANY* value. For example, you could spe

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:23:06 -0500, J R wrote: >"A hyphen is a valid character in a catalogued data set name. > A data set name that contains a hyphen must be enclosed > in apostrophes if it is used as a DCB subparameter." > And that one surprised me. I needed to try it to persuade myself it'

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:59 -0600, Wayne Driscoll wrote: >Except that an UNPK would leave the field 0C, not C0, so this sounds like >an old programmers tale to me. > Doesn't UNPK swap the nybbles of the last byte in the field? Doesn't this thread belong on ASSEMBLER-LIST? -- gil --

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:40:39 -0700, Traylor, Terry wrote: > > APAR Identifier .. OA24377 Last Changed 08/03/27 > FIXCDS DOESN'T DISPLAY HYPHENS (DASHES) > > COMMENTS: > This APAR is being closed FIN for the following reasons: > > - ... > - The use of hyphens in data set name

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 12/18/2008 04:31 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) (This time I'll see if I can edit my remarks _before_ I press SEND.) On Thu, 1

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

(This time I'll see if I can edit my remarks _before_ I press SEND.) On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:27:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: > >I guess I've been blind since birth on this one. The x'C0' (left brace) >is also a surprise. I've seen it used in member names (e.g., for SVC >routines in LPALIB), ... >

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

At 09:27 -0800 on 12/18/2008, Edward Jaffe wrote about Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lin: I guess I've been blind since birth on this one. The x'C0' (left brace) is also a surprise. I've seen it used in member names (e.g., for SVC routines in LPALIB), but didn't know i

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Don't go trying to use x'C0' in a data set name, while USERID.#--- works fine. USERID.#--} gets the following message on my z/OS 1.9 system: IKJ56893I DATA SET USERID.#--{ NOT ALLOCATED+ IGD17102I CATALOG ERROR IN DEFINING NONVSAM DATA SET USERID.#--{

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:27:24 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: >Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >> I have an old JCL manual and it states "alphanumeric or national >> ($,#,@), a hyphen, or a character X'C0' " so it looks like a dash >> (hyphen) has been legal for a long time. >> > >Thanks! You (and other respon

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Edward Jaffe wrote: Veilleux, Jon L wrote: I have an old JCL manual and it states "alphanumeric or national ($,#,@), a hyphen, or a character X'C0' " so it looks like a dash (hyphen) has been legal for a long time. Thanks! You (and other responders) have saved me some research time. I gues

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) Veilleux, Jon L wrote: > I have an old JCL manual and it s

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Veilleux, Jon L wrote: I have an old JCL manual and it states "alphanumeric or national ($,#,@), a hyphen, or a character X'C0' " so it looks like a dash (hyphen) has been legal for a long time. Thanks! You (and other responders) have saved me some research time. I guess I've been blind sin

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

"A hyphen is a valid character in a catalogued data set name. A data set name that contains a hyphen must be enclosed in apostrophes if it is used as a DCB subparameter." > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:01:40 -0600 > From: paulgboul...@aim.com > Subject: Re: Dash in Cata

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > > [ snip ] > At least a decade. I don't know about "decades". But beware. > JCL converter allows "DSN=USER.FOO-BAR", but syntax errors on > "DCB=USER.FOO-BAR". Go figure. Documented. Can anyone >

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

rame Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) Ted MacNEIL wrote: > Okay. I sit corrected. > What really has stabilised is the

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

I remember them being there when we did a DOS conversion back about 1985. Alan - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed Dec 17 17:27:57 2008 Subject: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines) Ted MacNEIL wrote: > O

Re: Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:27:57 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: > >On a related matter, we recently received a problem report from a >customer who complained that our standard classic MVS data set name >validation routine did not allow for dashes (-) in cataloged data set >names. I never knew dashes were l

Dash in Cataloged Data Set Name (Was: ISPF and long lines)

Ted MacNEIL wrote: Okay. I sit corrected. What really has stabilised is the user community. On a related matter, we recently received a problem report from a customer who complained that our standard classic MVS data set name validation routine did not allow for dashes (-) in cataloged dat