Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/02/2007 at 02:55 PM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >If a vendor keeps his products up-to-date with the latest OS, and has >logic to ensure he doesn't try to run features that aren't available >in an earlier OS, I think customers should be able to install th

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
CTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier? Guys and Gals, You are making it all more complicated than the question. Eric B. came closest to answering the question and even he didn't because his a

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Salt
From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Again, you are over simplifying and probably thinking about how you handle this for your ISPF product, which could really be considered more of an "application" than "system software". You're probably right. I do tend to 'simplify' everything. It's in my

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Schaeffer
We are v1.4, however the system will be shutdown in the July timeframe. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaicher, Chris Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: How many sites still on V1.5 or

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:55:39 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>I admit I don't like ISV products that >>seem to require a version upgrade with every OS upgrade > >If a vendor keeps his products up-to-date with the latest OS, and has logic >to ensu

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Salt
From: Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I admit I don't like ISV products that seem to require a version upgrade with every OS upgrade If a vendor keeps his products up-to-date with the latest OS, and has logic to ensure he doesn't try to run features that aren't available in an earlier OS, I th

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Richard Pinion
We are still running z/OS 1.5 on an IBM 7060 H30. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Blaicher, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:01:19 -0500 Guys and Gals,

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 09:01 -0500, Blaicher, Chris wrote: > Simple question: Are you still running V1.5 now that it is EOS? Yep. Up until January we had a 7060 and couldn't install anything past 1.5. Now that we have one of those Baby Computers we're planning the 1.8 upgrade. -- David Andrews

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Blaicher, Chris
Guys and Gals, You are making it all more complicated than the question. Eric B. came closest to answering the question and even he didn't because his answer was about a place he used to work at. Simple question: Are you still running V1.5 now that it is EOS? And for Chris Craddock, this is a p

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Mark Zelden said: > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:47:29 -0500 > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:37:42 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >The nice thing about having a single product version for all versions of th > e > >operating system is that as customers upgrade the

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:37:42 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The nice thing about having a single product version for all versions of the >operating system is that as customers upgrade their older systems, new >features become available 'automatically' without the customer having to

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-02 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- V1.4 and V1.5 go out of service tonight and I was just wondering how many shops are going to be SOL because the system they are running have hit EOS? I don't think the situation is quite as dire as you s

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Dave Salt
From: "Craddock, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chris (Blaicher) is looking at the question from the ISV point of view. While all of the comments made on both sides of the question are correct, what is not said - at least not here - is that very often we see customers who are very back-level on OS and

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Craddock, Chris said: > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:40:45 -0400 > > correct, what is not said - at least not here - is that very often we > see customers who are very back-level on OS and middleware maintenance > and who still want to get the latest and greatest functionali

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Craddock, Chris
> <> I did not interpret it to mean SOL for migration paths. > Only SOL and out of support. But both comments are still valid. > Unless you have a definite migration path to go to, you can run > unsupported. Of if there is suddenly a pressing business need to > go to a more current version of the

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
Chris, I now better understand the scope of your question. I did not interpret it to mean SOL for migration paths. Only SOL and out of support. But both comments are still valid. Unless you have a definite migration path to go to, you can run unsupported. Of if there is suddenly a pressing bu

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Blaicher, Chris
agree not to rely on this information or take any action against BMC Software in response to this information. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
I echo Eric's comments. Out of service just means you cannot open requests for fixes that have not been already fixed. Any fix that has been identified - IBM can help you find. However, if it is a new issue, then you either pay big bucks for the fix or upgrade or "just don't do that". IBM still

Fwd: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-04-01 Thread Eric Bielefeld
elefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 Milwaukee, Wisconsin > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:10:58 -0500 > From: "Blaicher, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier? > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > V

How many sites still on V1.5 or earlier?

2007-03-31 Thread Blaicher, Chris
V1.4 and V1.5 go out of service tonight and I was just wondering how many shops are going to be SOL because the system they are running have hit EOS? Christopher Y. Blaicher BMC Software, Inc. Austin Development Labs (512) 340-6154 The comments made are my personal opinions. BMC Software, Inc. mak