Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
From: Peter Nuttall Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:48:46 +0200 Yes to all of that Puzzled me too ... Never seen it before I am aware of the concatenation restriction on APF authorised load libraries (and the integrity reasoning behind it), but there are no steplibs in the job and the

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Peter Nuttal wrote: Just wondered if anybody else has come across this phenomenon. We are z/OS 01.09.00. Have a job running a set of IEBCOPY steps and the 8th step failed with : IEB1099E *** IEBCOPY IS NOT APF AUTHORIZED *** All the other steps worked ... The rerun of the job from the

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-20 Thread Peter Nuttall
quote All the other steps worked ... The rerun of the job from the failing step worked successfully Lets see. Rerun works. Without ANY changes at all? Anyone got any ideas ? After reviewing all replies up to now, I'm thinking something changed the APF list just before step 8. Check

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-20 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 04/20/2010 07:24:56 AM: Yes to all of that Puzzled me too ... Never seen it before I am aware of the concatenation restriction on APF authorised load libraries (and the integrity reasoning behind it), but there are no

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-20 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- From: Peter Nuttall Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:48:46 +0200 Yes to all of that Puzzled me too ... Never seen it before I am aware of the concatenation restriction on APF authorised load libraries (and the

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:36:30 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip- From:Peter Nuttall Date:Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:48:46 +0200 Yes to all of that Puzzled me too ... Never seen it before I am aware of the

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-20 Thread Tony Harminc
On 20 April 2010 19:16, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: I was envisioning that, as with LINKLIST, a load module loaded from an authorized catenand would run authorized; a load module loaded from an unauthorized catenand would run unauthorized. No security problem.  Should have been

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Craddock
Ok, I am puzzled. Whether there is or is not an I/O appendage routine hidden away inside of dear old IEBCOPY seems immaterial. APF authorization is not something that just comes and goes within a step. Every new step can be authorized or not, but if the JOBLIB, STEPLIB or application specific

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-19 Thread Peter Nuttall
Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc Ok, I am puzzled. Whether there is or is not an I/O appendage routine hidden away inside of dear old IEBCOPY seems immaterial. APF authorization is not something

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-18 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip-- Not convinced this a true statment. Back in the late 1970s and early 1980s with MVS, it was wired it into homegrown TSO commands and worked well. Then with some new release it became authorized. I had Bill Godfrey (TSSO fame

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-18 Thread Tony Harminc
On 18 April 2010 12:58, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: --snip-- Not convinced this a true statment. Back in the late 1970s and early 1980s with MVS, it was wired it into homegrown TSO commands and worked well. Then with some

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB - etc

2010-04-17 Thread Jim Marshall
IEBCOPY does not need APF authorization for every operation. Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? Not convinced this a true statment. Back in the late 1970s and early 1980s with MVS, it was wired it into homegrown TSO commands and

IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
Hi All, Just wondered if anybody else has come across this phenomenon. We are z/OS 01.09.00. Have a job running a set of IEBCOPY steps and the 8th step failed with : IEB1099E *** IEBCOPY IS NOT APF AUTHORIZED *** All the other steps worked ... The rerun of the job from the failing step

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
IEBCOPY does not need APF authorization for every operation. Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE AG -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, Apr 16th, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Hunkeler Peter wrote: Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? SMP maybe ?. Just joking. . . I hope. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread R.S.
Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) pisze: IEBCOPY does not need APF authorization for every operation. Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? AFAIK the above is not exact. IEBCOPY does check APF authorization before run. Try the following:

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
Subject Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. On Fri, Apr 16th, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Hunkeler Peter wrote: Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? SMP maybe ?. Just joking. . . I hope. Shane

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Nuttall Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. Lol Not SMP Just copying members from one library to another ... This is part of a change

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
IEBCOPY does not need APF authorization for every operation. Is step 8 doing something different from all the other steps? Something that might need APF auth.? AFAIK the above is not exact. IEBCOPY does check APF authorization before run. Try the following: copy IEBCOPY member to your

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. PDSMAN has a facility called FASTCOPY that will intercept the call to IEBCOPY (This is in the PDSMAN Parms) and use FASTCOPY instead. You can tell when FASTCOPY is used because

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
... When the job was restarted from the failing step, no change was made to the JOBLIB or the Step itself and it ran successfully Out of curiosity, and since I just learned that IEBCOPY will issue message IEB1099I at startup if it finds itself not running APF authorized: Would you have a look

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Let me add one more point. If you have PDSMAN and it is intercepting IEBCOPY. If the STC for PDSMAN is down you would only see IEB messages and not FCO. And this could create some interesting issues. If you do not use PDSMAN's Fastcopy, then having the PDSMAN STC down would be less of a

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. Let me add one more point. If you have PDSMAN and it is intercepting IEBCOPY. If the STC for PDSMAN is down you would only see IEB messages and not FCO. And this could create some interesting issues. If you do

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Peter, If the expectation is that PDSMAN's FASTCOPY replaces IEBCOPY, then yes, a change to the $IEBCOPY statement in the parms could have an affect. Determine the following 1) Is there an LMP Key for FASTCOPY? 2) What was the change that required NEWRULES? Can you compare the previous parm

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. Peter, If the expectation is that PDSMAN's FASTCOPY replaces IEBCOPY, then yes, a change to the $IEBCOPY statement in the parms could

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Subject: Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. Thanks Lizette, Think I'll leave it with the sysprogs for now ... I did check the Parms though, and FASTCOPY=N is currently set ... Thanks for the help, Peter

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Peter Nuttall
, April 16, 2010 10:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB. Thanks Lizette, Think I'll leave it with the sysprogs for now ... I did check the Parms though, and FASTCOPY=N is currently set ... Thanks for the help, Peter

Re: IEBCOPY losing APF authorisation in middle of JOB.

2010-04-16 Thread Rick Fochtman
Have you done something in that job that will affect the library containing the IEBCOPY program?? NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! Rick - Peter Nuttall wrote: Hi All, Just wondered if anybody else has come across this phenomenon. We are z/OS