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Ed, (smile) I contend there isn't any mainframe skills shortage.
z/VM, z/OS, SDF/Cobol/CICS/ DB2 and anything else you can think of.
With all the mainframe folks out of work now you could fill every standing
mainframe job openin
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Hadaway, John wrote:
> The shortage is geograpghic...cost of moving preclude potential candidates
> from
> filling jobs in areas where needed...but with the housing crisis maybe that
> might change...
Data?
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Ed, (smile) I contend there isn't any mainframe skills shortage.
z/VM, z/OS, SDF/Cobol/CICS/ DB
lling about H1B's because there isn't enough talent out
there in the USA.
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Edward Jaffe wrote:
> From: Edward Jaffe
> Subject: Re: More bad news.
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 5:23 PM
> Arthur Gutowski wrote:
> &g
"The rate of decline is increaseing"
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Blaicher, Chris wrote:
> From: Blaicher, Chris
> Subject: Re: More bad news.
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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> Just curious, what would you say to
> communicate that t
On 30 Sep 2009 13:15:14 -0700, eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) wrote:
>Exactly.
>The true reason for good writing is not to ensure you're understood.
>Rather, it's to ensure you're NOT mis-understood.
>
>If we have to speculate on what this writer truly means, he's failed his job.
These two para
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>Maybe. But we can't tell. That's poor writing.
Exactly.
The true reason for good writing is not to ensure you're understood.
Rather, it's to ensure you're NOT mis-understood.
If we have to speculate on what this writer truly means, he's failed his job.
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Hillock, Timothy
wrote:
> Maybe the writer was trying to say the percentage of the students not
> enrolling was increasing from year to year (but in fewer words as we
> saw).
Maybe. But we can't tell. That's poor writing.
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On 30 Sep 2009 09:49:48 -0700, m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant)
wrote:
>Or perhaps, "Continuing decline."
And a politician won't
On 30 Sep 2009 09:49:48 -0700, m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant)
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>Or perhaps, "Continuing decline."
And a politician won't say "growing abyss" unless he was ascribing
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:58:35 -0400, P S wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Blaicher, Chris
wrote:
>> Just curious, what would you say to communicate that thought?
>
>"Decline". Either that, or the writer needs to be clear about what
>(s)he means: is the raw number delta increasing year-over
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Blaicher, Chris wrote:
> Just curious, what would you say to communicate that thought?
"Decline". Either that, or the writer needs to be clear about what
(s)he means: is the raw number delta increasing year-over-year? Is the
percentage delta increasing? Without th
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:39:34 -0400, Scott Rowe wrote:
>I think "increasing rate of decline" might work also.
>
Cumbersomer and more cumbersomer.
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I think "increasing rate of decline" might work also.
>>> Paul Gilmartin 9/29/2009 5:10 PM >>>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:02:54 -0500, Blaicher, Chris wrote:
>Just curious, what would you say to communicate that thought?
>
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Arthur Gutowski wrote:
... until this
so-called recovery actually happens, I don't see much of either sort of training
happening here.
In his Sep 20 CNN interview, President Obama said that U.S. employers
have eliminated almost 7 million jobs since the recession started and
that you need
What about a decline that is reaching its asymptotical limit?
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:55 PM, P S wrote:
> Oy. Google "growing decline": 24K hits; "increasing decline": 33K
> hits. I guess this illustrates the increasing decline in folks'
> ability to write.
>
>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:02:54 -0500, Blaicher, Chris wrote:
>Just curious, what would you say to communicate that thought?
>
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>P S
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>Oy. Google "growing decline": 24K hits; "increasing decli
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Oy. Google "growing decline": 24K hits; "increasing decline": 33K
hits. I guess this illustrates the increasing decline in folks'
ability to write.
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Oy. Google "growing decline": 24K hits; "increasing decline": 33K
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Arthur Gutowski wrote:
> I did, and I love the passage: "Grim said Bank of America saw a growing
> decline in the number of new college graduates with any mainframe training."
Great catch, Art. Only thing worse would have been "increasing
decline"! (I guess that
Arthur Gutowski wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:02:08 -0700, Edward Jaffe
wrote:
Howard Rifkind wrote:
If such training is taking place it most likely is in shops giving training to
people who already work for them.
Did you read the article?
I did, and I love the passage: "Grim said Bank
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:02:08 -0700, Edward Jaffe
wrote:
>Howard Rifkind wrote:
>> If such training is taking place it most likely is in shops giving training
>> to
people who already work for them.
>>
>
>Did you read the article?
I did, and I love the passage: "Grim said Bank of America saw
Howard Rifkind wrote:
If such training is taking place it most likely is in shops giving training to
people who already work for them.
Did you read the article?
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Jaffe wrote:
> From: Edward Jaffe
> Subject: Re: More bad news.
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 6:10 PM
> Howard Rifkind wrote:
> > So now what's the ratio of real mainframes to
> mainframe systems programmers in the USA where I would
>
Howard Rifkind wrote:
So now what's the ratio of real mainframes to mainframe systems programmers in
the USA where I would suspect most of the mainframes exist?
Dunno. But, some companies are hiring and training new mainframers:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138256/Bank_of_Americ
Don't mean to be harping on this but if you read the papers this morning or
checked out any of the web news sites you would of seen this:
"U.S. job seekers exceed openings by record ratio"
Something like 6 to 1 and if that's the case in the general job market it's
only worse for mainframe syste
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