Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-13 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 17:06 -0400, Carlos Bodra - Pessoal wrote: > "Last mainframe will turned off in 1996" hahahahaha That would be Stewart Alsop, quoted in 1991. He eats his words on page 2 of Jim Elliott's m/f retrospective: http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/pdfs/zhistory.pdf (How di

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-13 Thread Howard Brazee
Reading this heading reminds me of a scene in the movie _Ghost Busters_. "Yes, he has no disk". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- Carlos Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Hi Rick, You just forgot to say that 100,000 acres are under water in middle of great lakes... but I will consider this offer when I decide to invest in real estate!!! Carlo

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
Hi Rick, You just forgot to say that 100,000 acres are under water in middle of great lakes... but I will consider this offer when I decide to invest in real estate!!! Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil Em 12/08/2010 18:53, Scott Rowe escreveu: W

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Scott Rowe
Well, the traffic may get a little heavier during summer weekends, and flood insurance could be rather expensive ;-) >>> Rick Fochtman 8/12/2010 5:44 PM >>> -- > "Last mainframe will turned off in 1996" hahahahaha > "No mo

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- "Last mainframe will turned off in 1996" hahahahaha "No more than 640KB is necessary for any computer" hahahahaha These new predictions make same effect. ---

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-12 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
"Last mainframe will turned off in 1996" hahahahaha "No more than 640KB is necessary for any computer" hahahahaha These new predictions make same effect. Carlos Bodra IBM zSeries Certified Specialist Sao Paulo - Brazil Em 11/08/2010 15:42, Mark Pace escreveu: Bubbles!! HAHAH

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 08:57:53 -0700, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote: >The world is full of forecast, predictions and prophecies. People >remember only few of them: the most accurate and the most funny because >of its inaccuracy (Watson Sr: 5 computers, Gates: 640kB is enough). Sometimes

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 11:42:13 -0700, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) wrote: >>IBM's use of the term DASD gets around saying "disk", > >drum, data cell, MSS, ... > >>but by the time >>disk goes away, the term DASD may not quite apply either. > >How not? Indirect Access Storage C

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: > Is that anything like thin film replacing core? Or bubbles? > > Predicting that that a technology will be supplanted is easy. > Accurately predicting what will replace it and when is hard. lot of DBMS are disk-centric and based on t

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Mark Pace
Bubbles!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! I still remember that prediction. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net > wrote: > In , > on 08/11/2010 > at 07:50 AM, "McKown, John" said: > > >This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates >

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 08/11/2010 at 07:55 AM, Howard Brazee said: >IBM's use of the term DASD gets around saying "disk", drum, data cell, MSS, ... >but by the time >disk goes away, the term DASD may not quite apply either. How not? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position;

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4c62a610.4000...@acm.org>, on 08/11/2010 at 08:30 AM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: >As long as DASD technology is able to continue to provide storage >capacity, access speeds, and reliability that are adequate for >real-world business applications at lower cost than this directly >connected RAM e

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 08/11/2010 at 07:50 AM, "McKown, John" said: >This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates >that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. Is that anything like thin film replacing core? Or bubbles? Predicting that that a technology will be

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:50 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Oracle: The future is diskless! > > > Why SW change

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-11 18:17, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ Regarding to the disks: indeed we observe first time when silicon "RAM" succesfully replaces

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Charles Mills
nymous. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Oracle: The future is diskless! On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: &

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:58:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: >W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ > >Regarding to the disks: indeed we observe first time when silicon "RAM" >succesfully replaces disks in some areas. Is it beginning of revol

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-08-11 14:50, McKown, John pisze: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O dev

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Ken Porowski
Didn't they say the same thing about disk replacing tape? Although that does appear to be happening tape is still around and has it's uses. -Original Message- Howard Brazee On 11 Aug 2010 05:51:20 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: >This is about some comments f

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Aug 2010 05:51:20 -0700, john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) wrote: >This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that >disk is dying. >He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of >being an >external I/O device, but actuall

Re: Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 08/11/2010 07:50 AM, McKown, John wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ > > This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that > disk is dying. >He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of >being an external

Oracle: The future is diskless!

2010-08-11 Thread McKown, John
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/oracle_on_storage/ This is about some comments from Oracle EVP John Fowler. He indicates that disk is dying. He envisions it being replace by flash RAM. And not in our current mode of being an external I/O device, but actually being on the data bus of the