Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of james smith Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Performance Question - Dynamic PAV we have a customer panicking because an IBM presenter 'suggested' that you

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I agree with the IBM presenter. Cache will not make a difference unless something changes the hit ratio. You really need one of the three varieties of PAV if you are going to fold volumes at this ratio in an unplanned manner. Ron, the point is not whether you need PAV or not. The IBM'r stated

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
Thx Ted. How does that information change my answer? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Performance Question - Dynamic

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Thx Ted. How does that information change my answer? You said some sort ogf PAV. The OP was asking about *HYPER* PAV. You did not answer his question. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Performance Question - Dynamic PAV Thx Ted. How does that information change my

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Don't bust my gonads Ted! I'm not busting anything. You didn't answer the question. Your original response was a timeline, not an answer. My resonse was intended to state that hyper PAVs were not needed. Since it wasn't a problem when -27's first came out, why is it a problem now? Why do you

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Eric Bielefeld
This exchange reminds me of some of the exchanges we used to have in the past between people I won't mention (Partly because I forgot their names). Some of the exchanges got heated. I know when I get comments I don't like, instead of firing off a nasty reply (Ted - this wasn't nasty - I'm not

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:33:38 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Your original response was a timeline, not an answer. My resonse was intended to state that hyper PAVs were not needed. Since it wasn't a problem when -27's first came out, why is it a problem now? That's not a logical response. HyperPAV

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Ted, sometimes I think your posts are a little too picky. Unfortuneatly, Ron always responds to your posts as in this thread. To the list: I'm sorry. To Ron: I neither accepted, nor rejected, your opinion regarding HYPER PAV's, since you didn't express one in your original response. You only

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Yes it did, Ted. And you quoted it in your first reply to Ron. This is the last I'm going to say on this. But, Tom show me where that is, and I'll appologise. The response I read stated that one of three types of PAV's was needed. Nowhere, do I recall any statement on hyper PAVs in the response.

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/5/2008 11:36:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since, I didn't keep any of this thread, I am going by memory. I think that's why God invented the archives. Check the archives for what each of you two said. Copy and paste exact quotes of

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think that's why God invented the archives. Check the archives for what each of you two said. Copy and paste exact quotes of one another. Then apologize to each other, or else continue to carry on your feud, PRIVATELY. Maybe I didn't read the answer correctly, but there's nothing

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread J R
I think that's why God invented the archives. For some reason, I'm not seeing Ron's posts in the archives, not in Google Groups version of bit.listserv.ibm-main anyway. Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:51:02 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ted, The first six words of the 2nd paragraph of my 1st response to James on this thread: I agree with the IBM presenter. The first six quoted words of your response to me: I agree with the IBM presenter. Is there another way to say it? Ron Fine. You've now stated that.

Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-04 Thread james smith
we have a customer panicking because an IBM presenter 'suggested' that you should not use Mod-27 devices for critical data UNLESS you have hyper PAV installed as you are likely to see problems with IOSQ times. Not sure about the validity of the comments so I thought I would seek out opinions on

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-04 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Performance Question - Dynamic PAV we have a customer panicking because an IBM presenter 'suggested' that you should not use Mod-27 devices for critical data UNLESS you have hyper PAV installed as you are likely to see problems

Re: Performance Question - Dynamic PAV

2008-11-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
we have a customer panicking because an IBM presenter 'suggested' that you should not use Mod-27 devices for critical data UNLESS you have hyper PAV installed as you are likely to see problems with IOSQ times. So called Mod-27's came out before HYPERPAV did. Using them with cache and 'normal'