Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-25 Thread Taylor, Clarence B
There is the KISS system. When you check out a member, replace it with a template that says something like in block letters checked out by Then the member is checked out and they should not change. I know it requires agreement among the people but it is simple and free. Brad Taylor -

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-25 Thread Dave Salt
From: "Martin, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have several folks who will be updating parmib and proclib. There is a possibility that we might step on each other's changes. Is there a way to lock member so that only one person can be working on a member (or members) while they have the lock As yo

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-25 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:12 + on 08/25/2006, Dave Salt wrote about Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib: If a proc exists in Lib 2, simply selecting it for edit will 'lock it' for the length of the edit session While there is a lock, it is on the wrong RNAME. ISPF uses a QNAME of SYSEDI

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread David Alcock
> We are beginning to customize our z./OS 1.7 (to > replace 1.4). We have several folks who will be > updating parmib and proclib. There is a possibility > that we might step on each other's changes. Say, > for instance, two people are making changes to COMMNDxx. At my last job, I was the

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Chris Mason
Mike, In the days when I managed a number of systems for education purposes, in fact requiring a set of "PARMLIBs" and "PROCLIBs" for each of the courses, I had to come up with a system that reminded me what each of my members was and why it was there. My solution was to create a member named $$

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chris Mason said: > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:06:36 +0200 > > I dare say there are some products out there which address this sort of > problem. I just hope whatever technique they employ isn't too > overcomplicated ... > ISPF/LMF. Keep a "source" copy of each library

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Salt
From: Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does ISPF LM have a filter that will select all members modified since a given point in time, for generation of IEBCOPY SELECT statements? Copying all members that were modified since a given point in time is extremely easy to accomplish if SimpList is i

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Ed Gould
On Aug 27, 2006, at 10:48 AM, David Alcock wrote: ---SNIP- At my last job, I was the "parmlib nazi". All changes to parmlib went to me (except off hours to fix a problem). IMHO, there should only be one person updating the parmlib. You always w

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:00:26 +, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Copying all members that were modified since a given point in time is > extremely easy to accomplish if SimpList is installed. First, SEE would be > Promo noted. Likely valuable to those who have the product or are cons

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>That tipping point happened about TSO/E Rel 2, when Rexx came to MVS. ESA/3.1.3oE. On, or about, 1990. I was told by my manager to stick with CLIST because REXX was 'too' expensive. But, as I still believe, productivity is more important. Also, the only LRECL allowed was 80, under EXECIO, back

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Don Leahy
- Original Message - From: "Chris Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib Incidentally, with my large number of course-related libraries - and non-

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said: > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:23:47 + > > >That tipping point happened about TSO/E Rel 2, when Rexx came to MVS. > > ESA/3.1.3oE. > On, or about, 1990. > Feels about right. I stayed with CMS from inertia for many years after that. I seldom look ba

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-27 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>recommended coding Rexx using mixed case for legibility (sorry, Ted and Shane) I don't know why you are appologising to me. I always use mixed case in REXX. But, I don't code: If Then Do End When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/25/2006 at 01:31 PM, "Martin, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I know communicating is key, but we are looking for extra controls so >we don't step on each other. Any good ideas for serializing access >to libraries we will be customizing? LMF or SCLM? --

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/27/2006 at 11:28 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >ISPF/LMF. Keep a "source" copy of each library and a production >copy. Make all changes to the source copy with ISPF Edit, which >serializes updates to members. Periodically (e.g. daily plus on >spec

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/27/2006 at 05:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Likewise, if an edit session is interrupted with RECOVERY ON, does >ISPF lock out other editing of the same member until the original >user recovers? No. >As others have noted here, CMS UPDATE provide

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said: > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:48:46 -0300 > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/27/2006 >at 05:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >Likewise, if an edit session is interrupted with RECOVERY ON, does > >ISPF lock out other e

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Dave Salt
From: Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How does WSA deal with the need to update statistics? Could you run THE on a workstation with TSO? WSA has an option that allows member statistics to be generated (or not) when files are transferred to a mainframe. I don't know if THE works with TSO, b

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/28/2006 at 08:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >CMS ISPF supports using either PDF or XEDIT. (This violates the >"nice numbers" rule: There are just three nice numbers -- zero, one, >and "as many as you want".) It would be no big deal to plug addit

Re: Serializing changes to parmlib/proclib

2006-08-29 Thread Hal Merritt
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over? I like the 'parmlib nazi' approach. Simple, effective, approved by auditors. Make all changes via request rather than direct update. A skilled human makes a better change control system anyway. My $0.02 -Orig