Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-29 Thread Timothy Sipples
The zIIPs don't particularly affect JDBC or ODBC access to DB2 stored procedures with DB2 V8 for z/OS, as far as I know. DB2 9 for z/OS does enjoy zIIP benefits in such a scenario, however. But if the DB2 stored procedures are written in Java (1.4.1 or higher at a sufficient build level), they can

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-28 Thread Kelman, Tom
t; -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Steven Liston > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation > > Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for r

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-28 Thread Steven Liston
Larry - Larry A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 24/04/2008 21:32 Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation If you are using DB2 v8 or up with a distributed workload, it works great

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-28 Thread R.S.
Edward Jaffe wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: So, IBM went with CP for the engines an Central Electronic Complex (CEC) for the box. These days, they're called CPCs. In fact there is (was) difference between CPC and CEC. In the very old times of 9672 R1 it was possible to have more than one CPC

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:58:30 -0500 Eric Bielefeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>I may be wrong, but I believe the number of older hardware you quote below is :>much higher than 1%. I suspect that shops with hardware that old don't send :>people to Share very often. There is the missing "Don't

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-27 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I may be wrong, but I believe the number of older hardware you quote below is much higher than 1%. I suspect that shops with hardware that old don't send people to Share very often. Eric Bielefeld On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:46:42 -0400, Cheryl Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ed, > >Thanks f

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-27 Thread Cheryl Walker
Ed, Thanks for including this. These were the numbers from the August 2007 SHARE. Below I've included the results from Feb 2008, and you can see that it really hasn't changed much. I'm in the middle of writing now, so I've not been watching IBM-Main. If you ever need anything, just send me a po

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Skip Robinson
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Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Ted, >That's not what IBM thinks: >http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/ziip/gettingstarted/order.html Tomato, tomahto. I have seen documentation that calls them CP's, GP's and specialty engines, along with their specialty names (ICFs, IFLs, zIIPs, zAAPs, and ZOWIEs). We're getting int

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ct: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation Ted, That's not what IBM thinks: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/ziip/gettingstarted/order.htm l Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussi

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ted MacNEIL wrote: So, IBM went with CP for the engines an Central Electronic Complex (CEC) for the box. These days, they're called CPCs. CP's that are not specialty engines are GP's. General Processors. Or GCPs. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century B

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Tom Harper
D] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation >removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / ar

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. All processors are CP's. It stands for Central Processor. They used to be called CPU's, but the US Federal Government came up with a requirement that anything called a 'unit' could be purchased separately. (Speaking of pedantry...) So, IBM wen

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Tom Harper
st [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation We had a company in Milwaukee that got to use 7 IFL engines for free for about a year for a test project running a couple hundred Linux serve

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Eric Bielefeld
We had a company in Milwaukee that got to use 7 IFL engines for free for about a year for a test project running a couple hundred Linux servers. If you are big enough, and are likely to buy the engines, IBM can be very flexible. In this case, the company didn't buy the IFL engines. Eric

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Jon Butler
1.803.1058 office +2 262.1058 IBM Tieline From: Rob Wunderlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 25-04-08 13:06 Subject: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Edward Jaffe
David Andrews wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question, then about IFLs in another. About half of the audience raised their hands in response to the latte

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread David Andrews
Yeah, yeah, replying to my own post. On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 14:53 -0400, David Andrews wrote: > My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question Which conflicts with Cheryl's own notes, which has those broken apart. So I yield to you again, Mr. Jaffe. (I do that a lot, it seems.)

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: > She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question, then about IFLs in another. About half of the audience raised their hands in response to the latter question. (Yeah, I take note

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Cheryl Walker
nks, Ed! Sorry! Cheryl Watson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. E

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Edward Jaffe
David Andrews wrote: Can't help you with your specific question, but you may be interested in anecdotal evidence of their popularity. At Cheryl's "Hot Flashes" session back in February she asked for a show of hands -- how many people are using those offload engines? Over a third of hands shot u

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 SYSN 06:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:27 -0500, Steven Liston wrote: > Looking for feedback from anybody who is making

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread Rob Wunderlich
I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms. -Rob On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:27:29 -0500, Steven Liston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-25 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:27 -0500, Steven Liston wrote: > Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of [specialty > engines] with details of workload that's running there, success or > otherwise and any gotchas. Can't help you with your specific question, but you may be interested in ane

Re: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-24 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
lf Of Steven Liston Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: zIIPs & zAAP exploitation Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of w

zIIPs & zAAP exploitation

2008-04-24 Thread Steven Liston
Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Thanks -