Re: VTAMAPPL PGM

2012-07-15 Thread Brian Westerman
The SyzCMD/z program is also available because of an agreement we have with IBM to ADCD users at for only 5% of the retail price (which is already very low). It does everything that the CBT Commands program on file 19 does, plus adds more than twice the number of "extra" features. One of them

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:49 -0400 on 07/15/2012, John P. Baker wrote about Re: COBOL packed decimal: In the IBM z/Architecture Principles of Operation, publication number SA22-7832-08, on page 8-2 it states that X'F' is an alternate encoding for a positive sign. However, in the programming note to figure 8-1 on

Re: DS6000 Console SNAFU

2012-07-15 Thread Tony Harminc
On 15 July 2012 20:28, Karl Severson wrote: > Thanks for all of the humorous and semi-humorous replies. Given that I > don't believe that we are going to be able to supply the current proper > host for the DS6800 console, I guess what I was asking was if a work around > for this problem would be

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 00:06 -0400 on 07/15/2012, John P. Baker wrote about Re: COBOL packed decimal: A positive value is identified by a sign encoded as -- X'A' X'C' (Preferred) X'E' X'F' A negative value is identified by a sign encoded as -- X'B' X'D' (Preferred) The preferred encodin

Re: DS6000 Console SNAFU

2012-07-15 Thread Karl Severson
Thanks for all of the humorous and semi-humorous replies. Given that I don't believe that we are going to be able to supply the current proper host for the DS6800 console, I guess what I was asking was if a work around for this problem would be possible. Otherwise, as I see it, I have two option

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Ed Gould
Robert: A life time ago I used to work for a bank and they had bought an online system for savings. What was really fun was that they did not save any signs for any of the numbers in the system. it was all assumed to be positive. Likewise the dates and other fields were all packed unsigned.

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Ed Gould
I agree whether its YAHOO or whoever stole the passwords it was bad form. I am trying to remember if at one time (its not that way now) RACF didn't do the same (passwords in display form). My memory only goes back just so far and it doesn't reveal anything. Does anyone remember when RACF was c

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread John P. Baker
Phil, In the IBM z/Architecture Principles of Operation, publication number SA22-7832-08, on page 8-2 it states that X'F' is an alternate encoding for a positive sign. However, in the programming note to figure 8-1 on page 8-3, it suggests that X'F' be used in zoned decimal formats for the high-o

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Scott Ford
ZMan, Very true. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:53 PM, zMan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> Hey zMan, >> >> Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers >> > > Absolutely. Though this gets into a rel

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: > Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers We were tangentially involved in the cal. data breach notification act (the "original" notification act) having been brought in to help wordsmith the cal. electornic signature a

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread zMan
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Hey zMan, > > Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers > Absolutely. Though this gets into a related issue: what do free services "owe" their customers? I'm not satisfied with the current answer of "nothing":

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Scott Ford
Hey zMan, Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 15, 2012, at 10:43 AM, zMan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > >> http://www.informationweek.**com/news/security/attacks/** >> 240003692?cid=

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread John Gilmore
Mr Hermannsfeldt writes: Now, it is true that DFP helps with some of those problems, but when programming in a high-level language one generally doesn't know what kind of floating point will be used. Some, like HFP, give a truncated quotient on divide (except on the 360/91), others a rounded resu

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Staller, Allan
I had a similar story. On a 370/138 at an auto insurance company, the rating program (vendor supplied) would immediately "eat the machine". In those days, there was an actual CPU meter on the console. Whenever this job would run the meter "pegged" for the duration. Basic logic was input pre-proc

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Phil Smith
John P. Baker wrote: >A positive value is identified by a sign encoded as -- >X'A' >X'C' (Preferred) >X'E' >X'F' >A negative value is identified by a sign encoded as -- >X'B' >X'D' (Preferred) >The preferred encoding are always generated by packed decimal instructions,

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread zMan
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > http://www.informationweek.**com/news/security/attacks/** > 240003692?cid=nl_IW_daily_**2012-07-13_html&elq=** > ce8b95a547134f1eb898ba0413ba0b**0c

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1342217201.53198.yahoomail...@web122104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, on 07/13/2012 at 03:06 PM, Frank Swarbrick said: >Negative zero, huh?  Must be that new math, thing.  :-) New? You had negative zero in the ones complement and sign-magnitude computers; the former still survive at Unisys. --

Re: DS6000 Console SNAFU

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <9164882388579423.wa.karljseversonraytheon@listserv.ua.edu>, on 07/14/2012 at 11:22 AM, Karl Severson said: >We shipped the z10 system I've been working on for the last six >months to a customer. The PC with the DS6000 console did not make >the trip because of a beancounting hickup. I

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 07/14/2012 at 08:08 AM, John Gilmore said: >Integer arithmetic should never be done with anything but binary >integers. Your reasoning is correct for two's complement machines, e.g., z, but is incorrect in general. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <5001ef16.8000...@t-online.de>, on 07/15/2012 at 12:13 AM, Bernd Oppolzer said: >I don't think that there is any cultural or philosophical >difference between mainframe or distributed/workstation >developers, given the same number of years of experience and >skill etc. - I know hundreds

Re: Decimal arithmetic

2012-07-15 Thread Don Higgins
For those interested in seeing what a COBOL program with support for decimal floating point (DFP) and packed decimal (PD) can do, you can try out zcobol compiler which is free open source component included with z390 portable mainframe assembler. The z390 and zcobol free open source tools can b

Re: JCL DD SUBSYS - how to write the SUBSYS

2012-07-15 Thread David Stokes
Having fairly recently developed such a subsystem I can confirm that the General Purpose Subsystem Access Method (I believe that's what the acronym stands for, our systems in Dallas are down today so I can't check directly) is a decent introduction, although it glosses over a lot of issues which

Re: JCL DD SUBSYS - how to write the SUBSYS

2012-07-15 Thread Martin Packer
Well, Batch LSR Subsystem(BLSR) started out as a sample of how to write a subsystem, IIRC. I think it was in a WSC orange book. But I don't know how to locate it now. Anyone? Thanks, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +