Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
(John Gilmore wrote) A little presumptuously perhaps, I shall reply for 'someone' He or she would appear to be a soul mate. The remark about floating-point that Mr Hermannsfeldt attributes to Knuth are relevant to HFP and, perhaps, BFP. Their timing moots any relevance to Cowlishaw's

Re: JCL DD SUBSYS - how to write the SUBSYS

2012-07-15 Thread Martin Packer
Well, Batch LSR Subsystem(BLSR) started out as a sample of how to write a subsystem, IIRC. I think it was in a WSC orange book. But I don't know how to locate it now. Anyone? Thanks, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM

Re: JCL DD SUBSYS - how to write the SUBSYS

2012-07-15 Thread David Stokes
Having fairly recently developed such a subsystem I can confirm that the General Purpose Subsystem Access Method (I believe that's what the acronym stands for, our systems in Dallas are down today so I can't check directly) is a decent introduction, although it glosses over a lot of issues which

Re: Decimal arithmetic

2012-07-15 Thread Don Higgins
For those interested in seeing what a COBOL program with support for decimal floating point (DFP) and packed decimal (PD) can do, you can try out zcobol compiler which is free open source component included with z390 portable mainframe assembler. The z390 and zcobol free open source tools can

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5001ef16.8000...@t-online.de, on 07/15/2012 at 12:13 AM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: I don't think that there is any cultural or philosophical difference between mainframe or distributed/workstation developers, given the same number of years of experience and skill

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDE7yYDyoQaTGFNhxp1tSiVHnK+i8GTQptXD6=8bgfh...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/14/2012 at 08:08 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Integer arithmetic should never be done with anything but binary integers. Your reasoning is correct for two's complement machines, e.g., z, but is incorrect

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread zMan
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.informationweek.**com/news/security/attacks/** 240003692?cid=nl_IW_daily_**2012-07-13_htmlelq=**

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Phil Smith
John P. Baker wrote: A positive value is identified by a sign encoded as -- X'A' X'C' (Preferred) X'E' X'F' A negative value is identified by a sign encoded as -- X'B' X'D' (Preferred) The preferred encoding are always generated by packed decimal instructions, The

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Staller, Allan
I had a similar story. On a 370/138 at an auto insurance company, the rating program (vendor supplied) would immediately eat the machine. In those days, there was an actual CPU meter on the console. Whenever this job would run the meter pegged for the duration. Basic logic was input pre-process

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread John Gilmore
Mr Hermannsfeldt writes: begin extract Now, it is true that DFP helps with some of those problems, but when programming in a high-level language one generally doesn't know what kind of floating point will be used. Some, like HFP, give a truncated quotient on divide (except on the 360/91), others

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Scott Ford
Hey zMan, Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 15, 2012, at 10:43 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread zMan
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers Absolutely. Though this gets into a related issue: what do free services owe their customers? I'm not satisfied with the current

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers We were tangentially involved in the cal. data breach notification act (the original notification act) having been brought in to help wordsmith the cal. electornic signature

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Scott Ford
ZMan, Very true. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:53 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, Very true..but still I think Yahoo has a responsibility to their customers

Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek

2012-07-15 Thread Ed Gould
I agree whether its YAHOO or whoever stole the passwords it was bad form. I am trying to remember if at one time (its not that way now) RACF didn't do the same (passwords in display form). My memory only goes back just so far and it doesn't reveal anything. Does anyone remember when RACF was

Re: DS6000 Console SNAFU

2012-07-15 Thread Karl Severson
Thanks for all of the humorous and semi-humorous replies. Given that I don't believe that we are going to be able to supply the current proper host for the DS6800 console, I guess what I was asking was if a work around for this problem would be possible. Otherwise, as I see it, I have two

Re: DS6000 Console SNAFU

2012-07-15 Thread Tony Harminc
On 15 July 2012 20:28, Karl Severson karl_j_sever...@raytheon.com wrote: Thanks for all of the humorous and semi-humorous replies. Given that I don't believe that we are going to be able to supply the current proper host for the DS6800 console, I guess what I was asking was if a work around

Re: COBOL packed decimal

2012-07-15 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:49 -0400 on 07/15/2012, John P. Baker wrote about Re: COBOL packed decimal: In the IBM z/Architecture Principles of Operation, publication number SA22-7832-08, on page 8-2 it states that X'F' is an alternate encoding for a positive sign. However, in the programming note to figure 8-1 on