Re: Sharing TS7700 across sms plex

2013-01-21 Thread Ravi Gaur
SC35-0427-09 DFSMS OAM Planning, Installation, and Storage Administration Guide for Tape Libraries ..Sorry for late reply -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu w

Re: ISPF RC20 on SELECT PGM(xxx) PARM(yyy) clues needed

2013-01-21 Thread Ravi Gaur
I would suggest to use the ISPF Dialog test feature with the Functions/Variable - ALL and then log each entry and see where and why issue is coming going in the ISPF Log.. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-21 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
> I saw Barbara's note about including the dataspaces belonging to OMVS, but > haven't seen a "complete" generation deck (or significant excerpt) from her > yet. You've asked for it: AMDSADMP IPL=D3390,VOLSER=xx, + REUSEDS=ALWAYS,IPLEXIST=Y

slightly O/T but interesting

2013-01-21 Thread Ed Gould
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Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ed Gould
Ze'ev... Do a listidr on one of the IBM compiler modules in question it should be easy to determine. Offhand I would guess PLX (certainly not C) . Ed On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: One more point There is nothing really new anymore. In the olden days one would create a

Re: TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?

2013-01-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 11:57 -0600 on 01/21/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?: How can restriction be? It seems that if the file is first FREEd, the ENQ is removed and reallocating SHR should just work. What's going on here that they're not telling me. They are hiding the MAJOR design-fl

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 12:15 -0600 on 01/21/2013, Mike Schwab wrote about Re: VTOC QUESTION: 3 DSCBs for 16 extents, so keeping extents down will be needed. Where is the 3rd DSCB coming from? You need 1 DSCB for the first 3 extents and a second for the remaining 13. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM, retired

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
One more point There is nothing really new anymore.  In the olden days one would create a compiler for a new language X and have it written in X, but those days are no more!  It seems that all new compilers are written in C - or in Fortran,  nowadays. I wonder what are COBOL and PL/I compilers w

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
Well I was not aware about that fact, so I downloaded the source code and indeed it uses Fortran - interesting, I may spend some time with that stuff.   However, both IBM and GNU provide pretty advanced Fortran compilers, but it becomes more and more hairy to deal with it.  Yet, if there is a dem

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread David Crayford
On 21/01/2013 11:35 PM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: One may try to build that under z/OS USS and it should work (recently somebody discussed here building LiteSQL as pretty simple thing.) I do not think that supporting native z/OS files should be that hard hereafter. To port R to z/OS Unix you will

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1358776795.52550.yahoomail...@web165006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 01/21/2013 at 05:59 AM, esmie moo said: >What are the advantages of having a large VTOC defined when >initializing a volume besides having a large amount of  Free DSCBS? None. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and J

Re: TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?

2013-01-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 1/21/2013 3:08 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: So much background for such an apparently simple command. MVS allocation is not a simple topic. Never has been. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -

Re: TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?

2013-01-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:16:23 -0800, retired mainframer wrote: >Did you try it and see it works or if the limitation in the manual is >correct? > Good idea, of course. I've tried it now. That much is true. >:>: -Original Message- >:>: Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin >:>: Sent: Monday, January 2

Re: Passing of Chris Mason reported

2013-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
zMan and Ian, Excellent , I totally agree as a working stiff at 62 ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 21, 2013, at 1:43 PM, zMan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Ian

Re: TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?

2013-01-21 Thread retired mainframer
Did you try it and see it works or if the limitation in the manual is correct? :>: -Original Message- :>: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :>: Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin :>: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:58 AM :>: To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :>: Su

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread retired mainframer
The first 3 extents fit in the Format-1 DSCB. The next 13 fit in the Format-3 DSCB. What is the third DSCB you think is needed? You can still fit only 6 1500 cylinder datasets on a 10,000 cylinder device. Even if a third DSCB is needed, you still need only 18 DSCBs which will fit is a single tra

Re: Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
> We're looking to "clean up" our Stand-alone Dump process, and get > "up to snuff" for z/OS 1.13 and beyond. Toward that end we are > studying the latest Tech Doc from IBM: > > http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/TD103286 > > But one question (so far) remains: What a

Re: Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-21 Thread John Chase
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:10:03 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:13:54 -0600, John Chase wrote: > >>Hi, All, >> >>We're looking to "clean up" our Stand-alone Dump process, and get "up to >>snuff" for z/OS 1.13 and beyond. Toward that end we are studying the latest >>Tech Doc fro

Re: 0D7 with ATSET

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/21/2013 08:53:35 AM: > From: "esst...@juno.com" > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, > Date: 01/21/2013 02:54 PM > Subject: Re: 0D7 with ATSET > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > Jim Mulder wrote > > > Your ATSET does a stacking PC-cp. The ATS

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Bill Fairchild
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VTOC QUESTION >>The only downside of a too large VTOC is that the extra space is not >>availa

Re: Passing of Chris Mason reported

2013-01-21 Thread zMan
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Ian wrote: > Firstly, My condolences to the Mason family. > > In my opinion it is very bad taste to use a threat announcing the passing > of a member of this list as a vehicle to parade ones mastery of several > languages and chastise others in there lack of mas

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Mike Schwab
3 DSCBs for 16 extents, so keeping extents down will be needed. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM, retired mainframer wrote: > Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I do you plan to fit 650 datasets, each a > minimum of 1,500 cylinders, on a volume with only 10,000 cylinders? How > will you even get

Re: Searching for storage (DASD) alternatives

2013-01-21 Thread John McKown
I could go for your last: "limit SCP SCSI". But I would basically extend it to anything which is FBA compatible. That is basically all of VSAM. Which include z/OS UNIX filesystems by default because z/OS UNIX filesystems are implemented via VSAM LINEAR data sets. And, if that happened, I would real

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread retired mainframer
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I do you plan to fit 650 datasets, each a minimum of 1,500 cylinders, on a volume with only 10,000 cylinders? How will you even get more than 6? A 3390 will fit 53 DSCBs per track. 29 tracks will hold 1537 DSCBs, slightly more than twice what you expect. ISPF 3

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Mike Schwab
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > I always tried to come up with a "worst-case" VTOC size requirement for each > DASD size and have a single initialization job that could be used in all > cases. It makes life so much simpler and you don't have to worry about > things later

TSO ALLOCATE REUSE ENQ?

2013-01-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
From the description of the ALLOCATE command in the TSO/E Commands manal: REUSE specifies the file name being allocated is to be freed and reallocated if it is currently in use. When you allocate a data set with file name or ddname, give it a disposition of SHR or OLD. You cannot

Re: Searching for storage (DASD) alternatives

2013-01-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 01/21/2013 at 03:55 PM, Timothy Sipples said: >I don't follow the logic. The logic is that the incremental cost was less for VSE because part of the work had been done decades earlier. >The ease or difficulty of doing something is not >measured when something isn't done. I'm referri

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>The only downside of a too large VTOC is that the extra space is not available >for data sets. How much space is 'lost' to make a difference? Especially, on a -9 or larger? >Since I've set up the SMS pools by size, I can adjust the VTOC size to match >each pool. I have an initialization job

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > I have never seen any indication that having excessive free DSCBs has any > impact positive or negative on new data set allocation, and if you have a > VTOC Index defined (which should always be the case) there should be minimal > correlation

Re: Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:13:54 -0600, John Chase wrote: >Hi, All, > >We're looking to "clean up" our Stand-alone Dump process, and get "up to >snuff" for z/OS 1.13 and beyond. Toward that end we are studying the latest >Tech Doc from IBM: > >http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/We

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
Yeah, it seems that GCC would be a easy fit ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: > Available: http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT853.zip >

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread John McKown
Correct, no license for the C/C++ compiler. There is no business need. At times, it seems to me that we can barely program in COBOL. There is a port of the GNU C compiler, but it just doesn't seem quite "right" to me. No, I don't know what that means. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Ze'ev Atlas

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
Available: http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT853.zip   Ze'ev Atlas From: scott To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Re: R statistical language. Any idea if the GNU C compiler could be ported to the z/OS environment?

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
What do you mean by " lack of a z/OS C compiler".  Does that mean that your site does not license it?  Because I compile C on z/OS with the IBM supplied compiler all the time (both native z.OS and USS, producing good ol' load modules and DLL's at will.)  Another possibility is using the GCC (ava

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread scott
Any idea if the GNU C compiler could be ported to the z/OS environment? Scott On 01/21/2013 11:16 AM, John McKown wrote: I would image so. The "problem", at least for me, is lack of a z/OS C compiler. I guess that I could download some SMF data to my Linux system and write a C routine to read i

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
John, I agree , I am typing on my ipad and watching the inauguration. It's hard to get motivated.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:16 AM, John McKown wrote: > I wo

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread John McKown
I would image so. The "problem", at least for me, is lack of a z/OS C compiler. I guess that I could download some SMF data to my Linux system and write a C routine to read it. I already have one in Java which works fairly well. A big problem for me is lack of energy and interest. On Mon, Jan 21,

Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-21 Thread John Chase
Hi, All, We're looking to "clean up" our Stand-alone Dump process, and get "up to snuff" for z/OS 1.13 and beyond. Toward that end we are studying the latest Tech Doc from IBM: http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/TD103286 But one question (so far) remains: What are t

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Scott Ford
I don't know R but it stands to reason that routines can be written to be called to perform formatting of SMF records. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Joel C.

Re: Tasks ENQ'ing exclusive on resource not getting control in FIFO order

2013-01-21 Thread Bryan Childs
Reaffirming Jim's post, those Exclusive GRS ENQs should be FIFO, regardless of GRS mode. Perhaps RESERVEs are involved? The Reserve of a volume is NOT FIFO, even though the underlying ENQs still would be. Bryan Childs GRS Development -

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
If you can fit your data into a .csv, System R is a fair statistical tool. The price is right. And System R does have a geometric "learning curve" and it's not a substitute for SAS. Tom Vacation Notice: None Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance & Capacity Planning CSC 31 Brookdale Rd, Mer

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/21/2013 08:43 AM, John McKown wrote: I wonder if a z/OS port of the following language would be of interest. It might be an interesting way to get some performance information for those of us who cannot afford SAS. http://how-to.linuxcareer.com/introduction-to-gnu-r-on-linux-operating-syst

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Ze'ev Atlas
One may try to build that under z/OS USS and it should work (recently somebody discussed here building LiteSQL as pretty simple thing.)  I do not think that supporting native z/OS files should be that hard hereafter. Ze'ev Atlas From: John McKown To: IBM-MA

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread esmie moo
Thanks very much to all those who responded to my post.  You have all answered my questions and cleared some nagging doubts. From: Joel C. Ewing To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:46:30 AM Subject: Re: VTOC QUESTION On 01/21/2013 07

Re: R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread Kirk Wolf
R has quickly become an essential tool in many research and applied science areas, including insurance and finance. Even the NYT noticed back in 2009: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/technology/business-computing/07program.html?_r=0 Fortunately, z/OS users can jump right in and use R. Its pretty

Re: Passing of Chris Mason reported

2013-01-21 Thread Ian
Firstly, My condolences to the Mason family. In my opinion it is very bad taste to use a threat announcing the passing of a member of this list as a vehicle to parade ones mastery of several languages and chastise others in there lack of mastery in the use of language(s). None of us follows this

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/21/2013 07:59 AM, esmie moo wrote: Good Morning Gentle Readers, What are the advantages of having a large VTOC defined when initializing a volume besides having a large amount of Free DSCBS? Would a smaller VTOC cause response time problems? For example I am adding 3390-9 volumes (1

R statistical language.

2013-01-21 Thread John McKown
I wonder if a z/OS port of the following language would be of interest. It might be an interesting way to get some performance information for those of us who cannot afford SAS. http://how-to.linuxcareer.com/introduction-to-gnu-r-on-linux-operating-system But then again, probably not, because it

ISFFILTER variable in SDSF REXX

2013-01-21 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi If someone has used the ISFFILTER REXX variable in SDSF ISFLOG command. The question is, if I can filter here the MSGTEXT or not. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@lists

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-01-21 14:59, esmie moo pisze: Good Morning Gentle Readers, What are the advantages of having a large VTOC defined when initializing a volume besides having a large amount of Free DSCBS? Would a smaller VTOC cause response time problems? No, larger VTOC would cause response problem

Re: FTP z/OS to z/OS "501 Invalid data set name" - codepage issue?

2013-01-21 Thread Boris Lenz
On Mon, January 21, 2013 12:09, Boris Lenz wrote: > It does > matter though that the same code page is used (could even be "7BIT"). Correction: as noted by a co-worker, it's sufficient to specify CTRLC on just one side: SITECTRLConn=FTP_STANDARD_TABLE ...or, if GETting from the system with t

Re: VTOC QUESTION

2013-01-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
The answer is - it depends. When an SMS Pool, SMS determines where to place datasets. So you have to make the VTOC large enough to hold any number of datasets. And that number is dependent on the size of the datasets. You need a larger vtoc if you have small files, and a smaller one will work i

Re: 0D7 with ATSET

2013-01-21 Thread esst...@juno.com
Jim Mulder wrote > Your ATSET does a stacking PC-cp. The ATSET service routine >removes secondary authority for your server's AX to your >User space. ATSET tries to return via PR, but since you invoked >ATSET in cross memory mode, this is PR-ss, and secondary >authority checking is done. The

Re: SMS COMMAND VIA BATCH

2013-01-21 Thread Boris Lenz
On Mon, January 21, 2013 12:53, af dc wrote: > H Boris, > I'm not understanding why I'm getting the following error: > > # of MVS commands to issue: 1 > Issuing command #1... > DISPLAY SMS > 11.50.35 IGD029I ERROR FOR DISPLAY SMS COMM 137 > 11.50.35 ERROR IS EMBEDDED BLANKS BETW

Re: SMS COMMAND VIA BATCH

2013-01-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.
It is telling you that you have embedded blanks between operands, some like this: D SMS (two blanks between D and SMS). Or what is COMM following SMS? Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of af dc Sent: Monday, January

Re: SMS COMMAND VIA BATCH

2013-01-21 Thread af dc
H Boris, I'm not understanding why I'm getting the following error: # of MVS commands to issue: 1 Issuing command #1... DISPLAY SMS 11.50.35 IGD029I ERROR FOR DISPLAY SMS COMM 137 11.50.35 ERROR IS EMBEDDED BLANKS BETWEEN OPERANDS OF COMMAND READY END however it worked on: # o

Re: DFHSM CDS size versus multi-cluster

2013-01-21 Thread af dc
Hi all, thx for your upds. What I have now for BCDS is: ARC0148I BCDS TOTAL SPACE=468 K-BYTES, CURRENTLY 341 ARC0148I (CONT.) ABOUT 83% FULL, WARNING THRESHOLD=85%, TOTAL ARC0148I (CONT.) FREESPACE=36%, EA=YES, CANDIDATE VOLUMES=0 ARC0948I BCDS INDEX TOTAL SPACE=126000 K-BYTES, 344 ARC0948I (C

Re: FTP z/OS to z/OS "501 Invalid data set name" - codepage issue?

2013-01-21 Thread Boris Lenz
On Sat, January 19, 2013 16:22, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:24:27 +1100, Andrew Rowley wrote: >> >>A quick look at the documentation suggests that CTRLCONN might be the >>equivalent for the control connection. > > SITECTRLConn=FTP_STANDARD_TABLE > LOCSITE CT