Re: IBM Development Clueless about COBOL DEV activities

2014-04-22 Thread Timothy Sipples
Steve Thompson writes: >A migration was proposed to translate (using an IBM utility) an >ISV’s code to COBOL (~NOV2013). The problem is, the group that >has the translation tool had NO idea about COBOL 5.1, and >apparently had no plans to make their tool COBOL 5.1 friendly (as >in, NOT using new re

Re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x

2014-04-22 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tom Marchant writes: >The design of XPLINK and XPLINK-64 currently precludes the mixing of >the two. Are you asking that LE support and facilitate 31-bit/64-bit "thunking"? Have you raised that requirement yet? --

Re: Copy a SVC Dump

2014-04-22 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:01:52 +, Mark Yuhas wrote: >Is there something new about copying dump data sets in 1.13? Maybe - those in the know will be able to answer that (hopefully) definitively. I had a similar experience with 1.13. Fortunately I was able to get to the original dumps before the

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Ed Gould
Bill: Way back in the 1970's I was attending a class at IBM in Alexandria VA. After class one night I as coming into the hotel room and had just turned on TV for the 6 PM news. A newscaster (local mind you)managed to mangle 6 country names in 5 minutes. I watched it at 11 to see if the sam

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread David Crayford
On 23/04/2014 6:43 AM, DASDBILL2 wrote: The spelling errors are rapidly increasing in the "headlines" at the bottom of the screen on TV "news" programs. Fox news? God forbid, that would never happen on the BBC :) -- For IBM-M

Re: Copy a SVC Dump

2014-04-22 Thread Tony Harminc
On 22 April 2014 19:01, Mark Yuhas wrote: > Bear with me. I have an old program that copies a SVC Dump to regular data > set with a non-system DSN. It has been working for many years. I need to > make a few changes for the current configuration of z/OS 1.13. IPCS accepts > the system dump d

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:46:40 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:03:24 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: > >>I think the term "pointer compression" is relevant here - to java heap >>just above 2GB. >> > >Yes. Very clever. > ... >I didn't realize it was being done on other platforms also.

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Apr22:2243+, DASDBILL2 wrote: > “[Television programming is a] vast wasteland…” > [09 MAY 1961; speech to the National Association of > Broadcasters by Newton Minow, Chairman of the > Federal Communications Commission] Mr. Minow would likely be at a loss for words if he had been able to

Copy a SVC Dump

2014-04-22 Thread Mark Yuhas
Bear with me. I have an old program that copies a SVC Dump to regular data set with a non-system DSN. It has been working for many years. I need to make a few changes for the current configuration of z/OS 1.13. IPCS accepts the system dump data set but rejects the one-off data set saying the

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread DASDBILL2
At least we still have decent technical publications from some vendors.  Here's an example of what we might expect in 10 more years of dumbing down: "The displacement for LA is, like, treated as, ya know, a 12-bit unsigned like binary integer. The, ya know, displacement for LAY is like trea

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread DASDBILL2
The spelling errors are rapidly increasing in the "headlines" at the bottom of the screen on TV "news" programs.  The obvious errors made by TV news anchors  when trying to read what to say from a monitor a few feet away are also rapidly increasing.  The obviousness with which TV interviewers and

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Tony Harminc
On 22 April 2014 15:45, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > I personally take offense to the "drone" bashing. Because I'm a "drone" now, > apparently. I read this not as drone bashing, but as management bashing. The word "drone" with its implication of idleness and other even less appropriate fu

Re: Slow vary commands processing

2014-04-22 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
In the book "Implementing REXX support in SDSF", there's a sample called @SYSCMD. It'll wait and pick up the output. A more gung ho way would be to build a vary command processor in assembler, where the PGM makes use of Channel End or Device End interrupts. - Vignesh Mainframe Admin -Orig

Re: Slow vary commands processing

2014-04-22 Thread Scott Ford
JR, Without seeing documentation of any sort..I wouldn't be so bold. I would want to see doc etc. But that's just me Regards, Scott From: J R Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎43‎ ‎PM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Scott Ford said: "Baby, I am a tad confused here. V

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread CM Poncelet
... and they can also put 'programming' back in 'systems programming' - instead of calling 'systems administration' ... well, you guessed it Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: John McKown wrote: Not too surprising to me. I imagine this is the norm for today because a well educated, intelligent,

Re: Slow vary commands processing

2014-04-22 Thread J R
Scott Ford said: "Baby, I am a tad confused here. Vary commands also can be dependent on what is going on inside the system. i.e.; CPU , I/O …many things. Secondly, why is the speed of execution as issue ? Do you have processes that are dependent on the timing of these varies ??? " Ba

Re: 50th Anniversary Video

2014-04-22 Thread Ed Finnell
Might have to lop off the under scores. Here's tiny http://tinyurl.com/mnjew7d In a message dated 4/22/2014 4:19:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: ERROR couldn't resolve host name -- For IBM-MA

Re: 50th Anniversary Video

2014-04-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ERROR couldn't resolve host name - -teD -   Original Message   From: Ed Finnell Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 17:03 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary Video You'd think IBM would make a documentary or something? Here's what we start

Re: 50th Anniversary Video

2014-04-22 Thread Ed Finnell
You'd think IBM would make a documentary or something? Here's what we started and here's where we are! On the other side there's the Asimov predictions for 50yrs from now(1964) World's Fair at: _www.bbc.com/news/technology-27069716_ (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27069716) In a m

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Scott Ford
Vig, I agree with you, I cam up thru Operations to Systems Programming and now Development Regards, Scott From: vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎45‎ ‎PM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > I imagine this is the norm for toda

2014 VM Workshop attendee registration is open: regular, student, sponsor, and spouse!

2014-04-22 Thread Mike Walter
The 2014 VM Workshop, June 26-28 2014 will be conducted at North Carolina A&T State University, Greensboro NC WHO: z/VM, and Linux on System z Friends WHAT: Location, travel, lodging from dorm rooms ($50/night/bed) up to nearby hotels, travel hints, sponsor information, and registrati

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
> I imagine this is the norm for today because a well-educated, intelligent, > worker costs a lot more than a pre-programmed drone. > As a result, the industry is now flooded with hundreds of thousands of IT > professionals fully capable of performing procedures they've been taught, but > incapa

Re: 50th Anniversary Video

2014-04-22 Thread Lester, Bob
Hi Neale, Excellent video. A nice walk down memory lane! Thanks! BobL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Neale Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 12:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 50th Anniversary

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Jonathan Goossen
In collage my Network instructor not only required a term paper and gave a separate grade for spelling and grammar, he also taught us some techniques to improve our grammar. He told us that in many jobs we would need to be able to write to be understood. I have difficulty reading, Spelling and

50th Anniversary Video

2014-04-22 Thread Neale Ferguson
After I wrote my Mainframe History blog (http://butmostlyaboutcats.blogspot.com/2014/03/mainframe-memories.html), I received an invitation to present at a 50th Anniversary event in Johannesburg. I created a presentation based on that blog and have subsequently created a video from it. I've post

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Skip Robinson
It's not what you know or even who you know. It's whether you know how to find AND USE what you need. I would happily trade places for while with the CIO. She would have all of my resources at hand. I would have all of hers. How long would it take the world at large to notice the swap? . . J

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:39:55 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >I believe a well trained person, while being more expensive, can be more >productive >with or without tools/books. And be able to give a good polished solution. I agree with most of what you write, but not the bit about being produ

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I agree! And teachers are making it worse. When my older son did a science project once there were a lot of spelling and grammatical errors. Not only did the teacher not even bother to flag them; she said it was not her job to correct them -- she was science not English! When I went through, I

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>‎I rather not say anything about the errors [1] inside a spreadsheet program >like Excel, which will be missed if you're not extra special careful. Even for >that, there are specialised software to help you to spot errors in a >spreadsheet. A well trained spreadsheet user will catch those error

Re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x

2014-04-22 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Ross > > I should have done more research before opening my mouth...RDz does in fact > support generating COBOL > programs with XML PARSE in 2 different flavors. You can specify 'generate > for XMLPARSE(COMPAT)'

Re: Slow vary commands processing

2014-04-22 Thread Scott Ford
Baby, I am a tad confused here. Vary commands also can be dependent on what is going on inside the system. i.e.; CPU , I/O …many things. Secondly, why is the speed of execution as issue ? Do you have processes that are dependent on the timing of these varies ??? Regards, Scott From: b

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Scott Ford
Not surprising to me either, instant gratification society. Everything is point and shoot, instead understanding whats under the covers … Regards, Scott From: John McKown Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎20‎ ‎AM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Not too surprising to me. I im

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread John Weber
This is why common core standards are igniting education. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sorry state of IT education? Not

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:03:24 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: >I think the term "pointer compression" is relevant here - to java heap >just above 2GB. > Yes. Very clever. I was trying to find a link to post and found this: http://www.eecg.toronto.edu/~steffan/workshops/08/cdp/ramarao.ppt I didn

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Staller, Allan > > Not just IT. The entire education system from k-12 through bachelor's > degree... Indeed. But remember that the objective of the "publick edjamacation racket" is to produce docile, compliant and

Re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x

2014-04-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:31:31 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >z/OS engenders enormous obstacles to migrating to an all 64-bit LE enabled >universe. Yes. Not the least of which is that the LE direction is to support 64-bit code only with XPLINK, and that there is no mechanism in LE for a non-XPLINK

Re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x

2014-04-22 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
You are right, of course, I was not very precise and mixed up things a bit. I started with development on little machines in the early 1980s, that was even before IBM-PC, and the first systems were called CP/M and later MS/DOS, and at that time the usage of different compilers and linking stuff t

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Staller, Allan
Not just IT. The entire education system from k-12 through bachelor's degree... Al Staller | Z Systems Programmer | KBM Group | (Tel) 972 664-3565 | allan.stal...@kbmg.com Not too surprising to me. I imagine this is the norm for today because a well educated, intelligent, worker costs a lot m

Re: Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: >Not too surprising to me. I imagine this is the norm for today because a well >educated, intelligent, worker costs a lot more than a preprogrammed drone. Agreed. >Our profession is rife with people capable of performing procedures they've >been taught, but incapable of thin

IBM Development Clueless about COBOL DEV activities [Was: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x]

2014-04-22 Thread Steve Thompson
Original Message Subject:re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x Date:Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:59:45 -0700 From:Tom Ross mailto:tmr...@stlvm20.vnet.ibm.com>> Subject: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x >I learned via PMR that Rational Developer for System z ("RDz") v

Re: JES2 NJE IP connection

2014-04-22 Thread John McKown
In the JES2PARM for the LIH1 node, I have: LINE(16) UNIT=TCP NETSRV(1) SOCKET=LOCAL SOCKET(LIHT) IPADDR=192.168.151.5, LINE=16,NETSERV=1,NODE=19,CONNECT=YES APPL(LIH1) NODE=4 APPL(LIHT) NODE=19 NODE(4) NAME=LIH1 NODE(19) NAME=LIHT 192.168.151.5 is the IP address (hipersocket

Re: JES2 NJE IP connection

2014-04-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
Try using an internet search using IBM SETUP NJE IP See if there is something in the list that will help. Also, if you are a member of SHARE.ORG there have been past presentations on this. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.

JES2 NJE IP connection

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Widmayer
Is there a Redbook or configuration hints for installing a JES2 NJE IP connection? I read the JES2 Configuration Guide where it talks about the JES2 parameter NETSERV. How would you code the socket parameter? Thanks. Bill W The information contained in this electronic message and any attachme

Sorry state of IT education?

2014-04-22 Thread John McKown
Not too surprising to me. I imagine this is the norm for today because a well educated, intelligent, worker costs a lot more than a preprogrammed drone. http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insights-and-innovation/the-sorry-state-of-it-education/d/d-id/1204552 Our profession

Re: Enterprise COBOL v5.1 and RDz v9.x

2014-04-22 Thread David Stokes
Bernd Oppolzer wrote >> the support for programmers there is non-existent ... if you need it, you >> have to buy expensive compiler suites from M$ But in fact, since many years now M'$' give away their Visual Studio development environment (with a few for most developers non-essential restricti

Re: Slow vary commands processing

2014-04-22 Thread baby eklavya
Thanks a ton Jim and John ! On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:16 AM, John Clifford wrote: > We had this issue back in early 2000's. Ended up being something with GRS > across 4 LPARs. > We ended up writing a small rexx to delay next step for xxx seconds. > ==

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Martin Packer
VIO has, in any case, been seen as CPU expensive. Because it's simulating a device. I would, however, quite like to see VIO in Memory reborn - with a huge (EAV) device type. Full(er) disclosure: I wrote a presentation on managing VIO with DFSMS back in 1988. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zCha