Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CTC

2019-02-21 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Hi Skip, Thanks for sharing your learnings, I do remember reading a similar post on the same topics a few months ago here. I'm going cross-eyed trying to decipher what's already here (to figure out the pattern used) rather than setting up CTCs anew. So in that regard, I thought a REXX or someth

Re: z/OS 2.3 and ENT COBOL 4.2

2019-02-21 Thread Brian Westerman
So what would this type of parms look like for LE at 4.2, do you use the FMID of zos or part/all of LE? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the mes

Re: CTC

2019-02-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I can't help with the specific question posted, but on this list we often try to help with OP's driving problem. Which in this case seems to be: how to manage a complex CTC configuration? We've managed a complex CTC config since the mid-90s without ever consulting diagrams. The secret sauce is h

Re: RACF: Limiting update-authorization of a file to a particular application

2019-02-21 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:22:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >AFAIK it won't reset the dirty bit. It does isolate AC(0) from AC(1). Yes, it will, for that isolated parallel environment. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signof

Re: RACF: Limiting update-authorization of a file to a particular application

2019-02-21 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 15:51:23 +0200, Steff Gladstone wrote: >Do I understand correctly that TSOEXEC CALL creates a new subtask >environment which is "insulated" from the goings-on in the mother task? Yes. The parallel environment established by TSO/E via TSOEXEC would be clean, even if the orig

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks, I noticed that immediately after sending the post :) I had first typed "Action Keys" but changed it to "AID codes" right before sending because I thought the first phrase would need more explaining. Oops. And don't call me surely. On 2/21/2019 8:19 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: AID code

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
> AID codes are passed to the host when you press a key such as Enter, > Clear, PF keys, So far, so good. > and of course Two out of three. > PA1/PA2/Attn. Shirley you know better. ATTN is carried in an expedited flow SIGNAL and has no AID. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Allan Staller
No such plans. CICS/IMS have the same issue as z/OS. Multiple SMPE environments to support for each "product" (4 separate environments for 4 IMS & related products). CICS/IMS will remain separate from z/OS and related products. z/OS and related products will be consolidated from multiple SMPE

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Nims,Alva John (Al)
My $0.02: Global zone can have it all, but my opinion would be, to use separate Target/DLib zones. Use ZONEINDEX to tie it all together. Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
> So the state of the keyboard locked/unlocked is different in your 2 cases. > Lots of configuration options will cause this difference, but it has > nothing to do with data streams constructed by the TN3270E emulator. If the TH3270 client sends an ATTN, the behavior of ISPF will be different. Do

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Unlike, e.g., Enter, PA*, PF*, the SNA ATTN key generates an expedited flow RU, which is not affected by keyboard locks. That's why ISPF can see it even with lengthy processing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainfram

Re: TSO CLIST Query

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would expect that you are more likely to have the authorization for CONSOLE than for SDSF. Nit: you don't need the || when you abut a quoted string with a variable. IMHO it's easier to read without. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Perhaps your friend's logmode specifies bi-sync (non-SNA) protocols? Bisync is highly unlikely; local non-SNA is much more common. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Ed Jaffe Sen

Re: TSO CLIST Query

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Case is irrelevant: $T is not a TSO command or subcommand, and it doesn't have the syntax of one.. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Wednesday, February 20,

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Not SREL ? How are you going to put, e.g., MVS and CICS, in the same zone? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Attention is not an AID key. An AID is carried in normal flow but an attention is carried in expedited flow. The word attention has different meanings depending on context: 1. What you terminal program means 2. What it means for SNA, in particular for an SNA 3270 3. What it means for TSO" D

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Allan Staller
As an example, I have (inherited) a separate SMP/E zone for AO, Netview, JAVA and many others. These will all be consolidated with the new order. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Allan Staller
Not SREL. Various compenents were installed in their own SMP environments (SMPE/Target/Dlib). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.4 How are you goin

Re: Where does ISPF determine how to repsond to "Attention" function?

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
IMHO the first step should always be a trace to see what the terminal actually sent. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Alan(GMAIL)Watthey Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:39 A

Re: RACF: Limiting update-authorization of a file to a particular application

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK it won't reset the dirty bit. It does isolate AC(0) from AC(1). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steff Gladstone Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:01:13 +, Allan Staller wrote: >For historical reasons, I have several SMP/E zones associated w/zOS and other >ServerPac available items. >I am going to consolidate all of the separate zones associated into a single >zone to simplify the maintenance process. Do you mea

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Because if they give it a new name or a new version then it's a new license, with terms that may not be what you're used to. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Beverly Caldwell Sen

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
How are you going to consolidate zones with different SREL? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU S

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Allan Staller
Agreed, I know that. The question is will z/OS 2.4 be supported on my available hardware. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.4 You

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Allan Staller
For historical reasons, I have several SMP/E zones associated w/zOS and other ServerPac available items. I am going to consolidate all of the separate zones associated into a single zone to simplify the maintenance process. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behal

Re: Disaster recovery, alternatives to CBU machine in alternate site

2019-02-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
Thomas Ambrous wrote: >Are there alternatives to either of these arrangements that allows a customer >to support production processing capacity in two sites without incurring the >extra cost of CMP, or even the CBU? Yes, potentially, but backing up half a step, CBU (Capacity Backup) is a terrific

Re: z/OS 2.4

2019-02-21 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
You CAN migrate 2.2 -> 2.4 (= skip 1 version). That is what we are planning. Kees > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Allan Staller > Sent: 20 February, 2019 18:38 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/OS 2.

Re: Disaster recovery, alternatives to CBU machine in alternate site

2019-02-21 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
Thomas, CMP simplifies IBM license accounting. It avoids adding the peak of both sites in one month, which resulted in double costs, that (as we did) should be negotiated and argumented with IBM on each occurrence. We also made some financial savings with CMP, but that could well be because of