Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Peter
Thank you all. I will do my research and get back to you if I have any questions. On Fri, 25 Dec, 2020, 3:43 am Longnecker, Dennis, < dennis.longnec...@courts.wa.gov> wrote: > We did this migration not too long ago. It was actually pretty easy once > everything was setup and the devices were av

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's an OS/2 port of a standard Enunix command. Run cp --help on any *ix system and you'll get essentially the same text, with whatever path it's running from. My spelling is a comment on the Multics features that Unix doesn't have. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
The period is a valid character in Eunix file names, and many programs construct names containing periods. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's a shame that IBM doesn't push the boundaries during Alpha testing. I have a dream of a testing laboratory with a large pool of users who know nothing about the product. That would be especially valuable for testing the documentation. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Tom Brennan
LOL I was going to say, "Because it's there" On 12/24/2020 3:38 PM, Tom Conley wrote: On 12/24/2020 12:01 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/22/2020 6:09 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Thanks I’m not writing RMODE64 code don’t see a reason to  > > I don’t know why Ed co. does cann’t believe the code is tha

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Chris Hoelscher
And if there is a "there" there, Ed will find in a jaffe Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Thursday, December 24,

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:01:40 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >We are writing an RMODE(64) product because we love z/OS and wish to >help push the boundaries of its technological limitations wherever we can. > IBM hates people like that. At a SHARE meeting (where I believe I met you), John E. (FSVO "E")

Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Longnecker, Dennis
We did this migration not too long ago. It was actually pretty easy once everything was setup and the devices were available on all LPARs. The main tool we used was FDRCOPY. With a few simple jobs, we were able to use it and migrate almost 80% of the items on the TS7720 to the DLM. It did the

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Tom Conley
On 12/24/2020 12:01 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/22/2020 6:09 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Thanks I’m not writing RMODE64 code don’t see a reason to  > > I don’t know why Ed co. does cann’t believe the code is that large > Thanks for the heads up about LE We are writing an RMODE(64) product becau

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gil, It's not UNIX for more than one reason: - UNIX has no drive letter - UNIX uses a forward-slash, not, a backward-slash - UNIX does not have File Extensions (although theoretically it could) Regards David On 2020-12-24 17:58, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:14:15 +, Seymo

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:14:15 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Eunix has even less typing: > >Thu 12-24-20 12:49:37{2}[h:\] cp --help >Usage: G:\USR\BIN\cp.exe [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST > or: G:\USR\BIN\cp.exe [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY > That doesn't look much like UNIX to me. I guess that

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 16:02:07 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: >So write a PROC that puts INPUT with SYSUT1 and OUTPUT with SYSUT2. > I could imagine that nowadays TRSMAIN is merely an ALIAS entry point that branches to AMATERSE with an alternate DDNAME list. >I even took this a step further and had

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
Eunix has even less typing: Thu 12-24-20 12:49:37{2}[h:\] cp --help Usage: G:\USR\BIN\cp.exe [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST or: G:\USR\BIN\cp.exe [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainfra

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Steve Thompson
So write a PROC that puts INPUT with SYSUT1 and OUTPUT with SYSUT2. I even took this a step further and had OUTPUT get deleted first before AMATERSE. Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct mistaks > On Dec 24, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Paul Gilmartin > <00

Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 15:40:23 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: > >Yeah there's a problem with it - a human problem. It's easy when in a hurry >to miss the fact they're reversed and key the input dataset name in the SYSUT2 >and the output in the SYSUT1 if you're not paying attention. Yeah I know it's

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Re: [External] Re: Build and submit proc

2020-12-24 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Except move is propogate a copy. CA IDEAL has MOVE A TO B and SET B = A. Interchangeable but one is linguistically confusing. Less typing too! On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:51 Seymour J Metz wrote: > I find move source destination to be more natural than move destination > source. > > "When the only

Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Roger W Suhr
We decided not to do that and go with a TS7760 instead. Easy peasy Roger W. Suhr suhr...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 11:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

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2020-12-24 Thread Bonnie Barthel
I've been ftping files to testcase.boulder.ibm.com all morning and all of a sudden they started failing with: EZA2590E send error from send_data - EDC5140I Broken pipe. (errno2=0x74520442) EZA2603E Error sending the file EZA25

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
The new platform is mainframe Java Nobody cares about dinos > On Dec 24, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 08:44:09 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > >> I would never presume to tell IBM what to do, but if I were r

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Charles Mills
> The cost of providing adequate documentation should be factored into the business case for new features, not used as an excuse for not providing it. AMEN! Well said. Correct documentation is not an optional luxury, it is fundamental part of the new feature. Charles -Original Message

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 08:44:09 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >I would never presume to tell IBM what to do, but if I were responsible for >the "MVS Services" documentation I would start with a preamble much like >@Gil describes in which I said "unless otherwise specified, callers must be >..." and cov

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Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you look in the IBM MAIN archives for DLM, you should find lots of information. I have gone both ways IBM to EMC and EMC to IBM There are some changes to the way the Library is defined in ISMF> There are some IOGEN considerations You should find the vendor you are going to, very helpful in

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/22/2020 6:09 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Thanks I’m not writing RMODE64 code don’t see a reason to > > I don’t know why Ed co. does cann’t believe the code is that large > Thanks for the heads up about LE We are writing an RMODE(64) product because we love z/OS and wish to help push the

Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
The migration was complex enough that we engaged a separate third party ISV to guide us through. This was going from a combination of virtual (STK) and physical tape 100% DLm. Allow several months. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Charles Mills
I would never presume to tell IBM what to do, but if I were responsible for the "MVS Services" documentation I would start with a preamble much like @Gil describes in which I said "unless otherwise specified, callers must be ..." and covered ASC, SRB/TCB, AMODE, RMODE, problem/supervisor, etc. It

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
It is re-entrant have the Rent option and I have global areas Thanks > On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Joe Monk wrote: > > OK so there's no need for reentrancy. Thus, no need for WSA. > > Joe > >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Joseph Reichman >> wrote: >> >> It’s a batch program calle

Re: TS7720 to EMC DLM migration

2020-12-24 Thread Steve Pryor
In answer to your question, there are plenty of "things to be done", depending upon factors such as: - what tape management system do you have? Will the new technology share the scratch volser range or will a new one be used? - will the migration be performed volume-by-volume ('cloning') or dat

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
OK so there's no need for reentrancy. Thus, no need for WSA. Joe On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Joseph Reichman wrote: > It’s a batch program called from a started task > > > > > On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > > Still not sure why you have a WSA... Youre not using CICS,

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
It’s a batch program called from a started task > On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Joe Monk wrote: > > Still not sure why you have a WSA... Youre not using CICS, right? > > Joe > >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:11 AM Joseph Reichman >> wrote: >> >> This code is right after my prologue >> >>

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
Still not sure why you have a WSA... Youre not using CICS, right? Joe On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:11 AM Joseph Reichman wrote: > This code is right after my prologue > > > ST0,#WSA_1 > > So I have to somehow make sure that register 0 has the right value > > Thanks > > -Original M

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
This code is right after my prologue ST0,#WSA_1 So I have to somehow make sure that register 0 has the right value Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 11:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.ED

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
OK but I dont think you need a WSA. Joe On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:00 AM Joseph Reichman wrote: > Thanks I think the problem is my main program is called OPENFILE In this > program I load sysadata to a dataspace > > Why did I use metal C because I have similar C code in windows and thought > wi

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
Thanks I think the problem is my main program is called OPENFILE In this program I load sysadata to a dataspace Why did I use metal C because I have similar C code in windows and thought with #pragma if __MVS I could save coding I found it easier to work with Metal then LE as it gives me more

Re: How to find out consumer of page datasets

2020-12-24 Thread Mark Jacobs
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Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
No. If you are calling METAL C from assembler, METAL C will take care of the WSA... "The RENT environment initialization and termination routines are called to establish and terminate the dynamically allocated WSA storage with the static initialization data applied. For the AMODE 31 "main" functi

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
Just read it FYI I am Calling Metal C from Assembler (via Link) Me thinks I have to init The WSA area Binyamin Dessin suggested I use a CXD variable to get the size of the WSA -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2

How to find out consumer of page datasets

2020-12-24 Thread Lizette Koehler
List - This is not one of my strong points. I have RMF and omegamon. What can I use that will help me over time see what is using all the Page Datasets or what is being orphaned? Thanks Lizette -- For IBM

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
This is the code after the prolog don’t see a call WSA initialization + LR0,2 + DROP 15 @@BGN@1 DS0H AIF (NOT &CCN_SASIG).@@NOSIG1 LLILH 11,X'C6F7' O

Re: RMODE64

2020-12-24 Thread Peter Relson
Perhaps you don't understand what I mean by "blanket statement": a single affirmative sentence in the Introduction to the manual, "Any service described herein may be invoked from a location below 2 GiB." Do you think there is anyone in the IBM world who needs that sentence? It might be thought

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
Check page 31 in this: https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r3sc147313/$file/ccrug00_v2r3.pdf Joe On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 8:39 AM Joseph Reichman wrote: > I’m writing a prolog for a metal C program > I noticed that after the prolog code > Registers 0 is stored in

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joe Monk
GPR 0 is used to pass the address of the WSA. If youre writing a prolog for a Metal C program, you dont need to worry about the size of the WSA unless you plan to do something with it. The Metal C program should call the WSA init and term upon entry and exit on its own. Joe On Thu, Dec 24, 2020

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Reichman
I’m writing a prolog for a metal C program I noticed that after the prolog code Registers 0 is stored in #WSA_1 seems like storage has to be allocated for it ( writable static area ) in addition to the dynamic storage ( register save + auto variables ) > On Dec 24, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Peter Rel

Re: Size of the Writable Static Area

2020-12-24 Thread Peter Relson
I think of the writeable static area as an area that LE instantiates on your behalf. As far as I know, there is no interface provided by which you can do this. If LE is going to do this for you, using loader services that rely on information within the program object itself (and there is such i