Re: PDS compress and PROCLIB

2024-06-11 Thread Steely.Mark
It is probably not good business practice - but I have never had an issue doing that. Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 12:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PDS compress and PROCLIB

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jim Mulder
Yes, I meant for Jason's use case. I was involved in getting z/OS running in the ZVDT/Wazi environment, so I am aware of those things. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY Jim Mulder wrote: >IBM does not provide any license for any release of z/OS

PDS compress and PROCLIB

2024-06-11 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Silly question: is it risky to compress any PDS belonging to PROCLIB concatenation? Is it documented anywhere? And the same for PARMLIB. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access in

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Jim Mulder wrote: >IBM does not provide any license for any release of z/OS that permits >you to run it on a LinuxONE machine, or under any non-IBM emulator >on any machine. I assume you meant ?for the uses Jason Cai described,? and (if so) I agree. To be clear, IBM licenses z/OS (and IBM softwar

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
We kept a system up for inquiries, finalizing transactions for a couple of years. Then the users printed reports and sent them to a open systems so they could manually search them. Hercules TK5 has Intercomm, a cics like application software, there is also KicksForTso. But the Cobol 68 compiler

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Gibney, Dave
How frequently, if at all, do you anticipate needing to access this residual data? > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jason Cai > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 10:59 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules o

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
If it is really not possible to run the z machine to extract your data, I would recommend talking to ITC about running the IBM licensable z emulator which runs z/OS. I think it is likely they have some kind of solution for this. https://www.itconline.com/ Lennie -Original Message- Fro

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Hercules emulates Mainframe DASD on Open system disk. On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 2:50 PM Jason Cai wrote: > > Thank you very much for your response. Our historical backups are made > through DSS dumped to IBM TS7700 tape library, and the data mainly consists > of IMS and DB2 image copies and their

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jason Cai
Thank you very much for your response. Our historical backups are made through DSS dumped to IBM TS7700 tape library, and the data mainly consists of IMS and DB2 image copies and their unload datasets. We have over two years of license time to use z14 and z/OS 2.5. We plan to restore the dumped

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 at 13:58, Jason Cai wrote: > Our organization's z mainframe has reached the end of its hardware service > life and is no longer capable of running z/OS. However, we have a LinuxONE > machine that remains operational. > > We possess historical data backups from our z/OS environ

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Tom Marchant
Hercules does not emulate z/OS. It emulates the hardware. You could run the free MVS that is available. Whether or not you could use that to access your backups is another question. You didn't say what kind of backups you have. Can you access DFSMSdss backups without running some version of DSS?

Re: Epoch Index

2024-06-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:34:15 +, Jim Mulder wrote: > z/OS 3.1 does not support testing with dates beyond 09/17/2042. > Am I correct in understanding that on current hardware an overflow from the TOD will be carried into the Epoch Index, but only once? Am I correct in understanding that the Cl

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jay Maynard
Actually, Hercules does implement TXF, at least in versions 4.6 and later. To answer Jason's question, Hercules on LinuxONE would technically be able to do this. However, I would strongly caution that there are significant licensing issues involved in running any licensed program product on Hercul

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM does not provide any license for any release of z/OS that permits you to run it on a LinuxONE machine, or under any non-IBM emulator on any machine. Jim Mulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jason Cai Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:59 PM To:

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:58:38 -0500, Jason Cai wrote: > > Our goal is to utilize Hercules to emulate the z/OS necessary to > access our backup data sometime. > >2. Any known limitations or considerations we should be aware of when using >Hercules for this purpose. > Licensing? -- gil

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Transactional execution facility instructions have not been implemented. Has your z/OS machine stopped working or the current z/OS can't be upgraded due to hardware requirements? https://www.ibm.com/docs/bg/zos/2.4.0?topic=guide-transactional-execution On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 12:58 PM Jason Cai

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jason Cai
Our organization's z mainframe has reached the end of its hardware service life and is no longer capable of running z/OS. However, we have a LinuxONE machine that remains operational. We possess historical data backups from our z/OS environment that we need to access. To address this, we are co

Re: Epoch Index

2024-06-11 Thread Jim Mulder
z/OS 3.1 does not support testing with dates beyond 09/17/2042. Jim Mulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Schuster Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 1:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Epoch Index So, as of z/os 3.1, there does not s

Re: Epoch Index

2024-06-11 Thread Paul Schuster
So, as of z/os 3.1, there does not seem to be a way to test with dates beyond 09/17/2042? A “R 00,DATE=2042.260 “ works, but a “R 00,DATE=2042.261” generates a “IEE306I RPLY HAS INVALID NUMERICS” message. Or am I missing something obvious? Thank you. -

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Just compiling and emulating Z would be a step but rather than emulating you’d be able to execute z/OS on Z hardware which is a lot faster. zVDT provides this and we’ve seen dramatically better performance on zLinux. That said, there is still the pesky software license issues. Matt Hogstrom

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Tom Brennan
That was going to be my question too... Why? Of course it would be fun to try, but since Jason wrote: "Additionally, I am interested in understanding the differences between installing Hercules on Linux versus Windows." ... he could do that on an x86 box. Still, I can just imagine Hercules em

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Tom Marchant
What is your purpose in doing this? Your Linux One machine is a zArchitecture machine. Do you intend to emulate an older architecture? What do you plan to run under Hercules emulation? You might not be in compliance with the Linux One Terms and conditions. -- Tom Marchant On Tue, 11 Jun 2024

Re: LOL - AWS brags about 99.9% uptime!

2024-06-11 Thread Colin Paice
I remember raining on someone's parade when they proudly told everyone that they had 95% availability with a windows environment. My comment "wow as low as that" did not go down well. 15 years ago we had a CICS customer present to us. He said their CICS had been up for about 3 years with no dow

Re: LOL - AWS brags about 99.9% uptime!

2024-06-11 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Replying to my own post. 99.% availability equates to about 3 sec/year. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 7:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LOL - AWS brags about

Re: LOL - AWS brags about 99.9% uptime!

2024-06-11 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential I agree LOL, 99.9% is so 20th century! Measured from where? Internal Servers? Does this include the user perception? Outages are perceived from the end-user viewpoint, not the source. Components beyond AWS control can affect user perception. BTW, z/OS has been ad

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
hercules-390 on group.io will be you best support forum. https://hercules-390.groups.io/g/group On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 5:42 AM Jason Cai wrote: > > Thank you for your prompt response. > > I have experience using Hercules on Windows and understand that I need it to > work with the relevant z/OS

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jay Maynard
Yes, you will need to compile Hercules on LinuxONE. There are no prebuilt binaries for it, mainly because LinuxONE isn't among the systems that our folks have access to. You'll need to use Linux running on the LinuxONE system to do the download and build. The good news is that Bill Lewis's outstan

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jason Cai
Thank you for your prompt response. I have experience using Hercules on Windows and understand that I need it to work with the relevant z/OS volume files. I have already downloaded Hercules, but I do not recall needing to compile it. Could you please clarify if compilation is necessary? If so,

Re: Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Needs an OS already installed to download, compile, install Hercules emulator. Then you install an operating system on Hercules. On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 4:58 AM Jason Cai wrote: > > Hi all > > I am reaching out to see if anyone has experience installing Hercules on > LinuxONE. I have a few ques

Inquiry about Installing Hercules on LinuxONE

2024-06-11 Thread Jason Cai
Hi all I am reaching out to see if anyone has experience installing Hercules on LinuxONE. I have a few questions regarding this: 1. Is it possible to install Hercules on LinuxONE? 2. Is there any need to purchase a license or additional hardware to support this installation? Any suggestions or