Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
ot even close. There is no use of hexadecimal arithmetic in a 7909. >posturing; PKB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html> We don't care. We don't have to care, we're C

Re: Word sizes was Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/22/2013 at 08:52 AM, Clark Morris said: >Also 48 bits on the Honeywell 800 and Burroughs B5000. Yes, and several others, for one of which I used to have lust in my heart. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20131222125014.GB23307@dlc-dt>, on 12/22/2013 at 07:50 AM, "David L. Craig" said: >And don't come back with "real MVS programmers don't need to debug >their code." ;-) I'd be the last person to make, or defend, such a statement. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread Scott Ford
gt; From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Scott Ford >> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:41 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] "hexadecimal"? >> >> Btw this isn

Re: Word sizes was Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
48 bits + 2 tag bits on Telefunken TR 4 and TR 440. Character size could be 6, 8 or 12 bits, as you liked. There were different character sets. 12 was used for FORTRAN on this machine, because it was best for compatibility with other FORTRANS (4 chars = 1 integer). In fact only 8 of the 12 bits we

Word sizes was Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Dec 2013 19:17:56 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In , on 12/08/2013 > at 03:27 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg" said: > >>Data in the computer is stored in 8-bit long bytes. > >Data in a computer are stored in units dictated by the architecture. >For the S/360 it's 8-bit[1] bytes. I

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec21:2313-0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > In <20131210023525.GC6157@dlc-dt>, on 12/09/2013 >at 09:35 PM, "David L. Craig" said: > > >Of course, "real" MVS programmers use STARTIO > > Real MVS systems programmers understand the principle of least > privilege and don't write AC

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread John Gilmore
Shmuel writes Nonsense; I/O channels on the 7090 were binary. The fact that the 7909 was an 8-bit channel rather than a 6-bit channel doesn't change that. and of course it does 'change that'. The bard put it well in Loves labours lost: His eye ambitious, his gait majestical, and his general b

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-22 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ye Gods, I work for Hitachi. Should I leave the list? > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Scott Ford > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20131210023525.GC6157@dlc-dt>, on 12/09/2013 at 09:35 PM, "David L. Craig" said: >Of course, "real" MVS programmers use STARTIO Real MVS systems programmers understand the principle of least privilege and don't write AC(1) code unless it confers an advantage of some sort. In particular, t

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <9820584016396110.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/08/2013 at 08:25 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >(The last is the maximum supported by channel programs, or was.) 2^16 is a limitation on a single CCW; it is not a limitation on a CCW chain, and data chaining goes back to Day One.

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/08/2013 at 03:27 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg" said: >Data in the computer is stored in 8-bit long bytes. Data in a computer are stored in units dictated by the architecture. For the S/360 it's 8-bit[1] bytes. I've seen word sizes of 12, 18, 24, 30, 36, 60 and 64 bits, words size of 10

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/09/2013 at 11:56 AM, Skip Robinson said: >Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. Read PoOps. >I just finished updating an old RYO program that writes 80 byte >records to any device specified because I needed to test >32K >blocks on tape. I merely added a DCBE Look at t

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/08/2013 at 01:52 PM, Scott Ford said: >Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics ...at machine level >everything is binary Silly wabbit, trits are for kids. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/08/2013 at 01:10 PM, John Gilmore said: >and I think we all sympathize with the point he is making. There >is, however, some real hexadecimal data around, beginning with its >use in IBM 7090 channel programming. Nonsense; I/O channels on the 7090 were binary. The fact

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Scott Ford
ge - > > From: "Scott Ford" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:41:30 AM > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > > Bill, > > I haven't been fortunate enough to go to Share..I wish > >

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread DASDBILL2
Old SHARE proceedings are online. Bill Fairchld - Original Message - From: "Scott Ford" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:41:30 AM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? Bill, I haven't been fortunate enou

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Rouse, Willie
Warren how's your new job -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Warren Brown Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? In the 70s 'TCAM'

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Scott Ford
iginal Message - > > From: "David L. Craig" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:35:25 PM > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > >> On 13Dec09:1528-0500, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: >> >> On 12/9/2013 2:56 PM,

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Warren Brown
d recover. From: DASDBILL2 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? I Totally agree with using PCI to implement this insane channel program, which, if it could honk through 2,000 tracks per second and n

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread DASDBILL2
Message - From: "David L. Craig" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:35:25 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? On 13Dec09:1528-0500, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > On 12/9/2013 2:56 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: > > 2) That's a shame. Eve

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread DASDBILL2
sustainable data transfer rate might have improved to where it would take less than one day to complete. Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: "Tony Harminc" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 7:21:53 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal&qu

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Scott Ford
John, I did something similar but on VSE reading and writing to tape drives Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:35 PM, John McKown wrote: > > The only EXCP that I every wrote as at my first job. It read cards from an >

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Scott Ford
John, I recall the same my knowledge is old..over 20 yrs working on VSE Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:59 AM, John Eells wrote: > > Skip Robinson wrote: >> Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. I just f

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread Martin Packer
IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 10/12/2013 15:59 Subject:Re: "hexadecimal"? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Skip Robinson wrote: > Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. I just finished updating an > old RYO program that writes 80 byte records

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-10 Thread John Eells
Skip Robinson wrote: Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. I just finished updating an old RYO program that writes 80 byte records to any device specified because I needed to test >32K blocks on tape. I merely added a DCBE with BLKSIZE=0 and pointed to it in the existing DCB. No other ch

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec09:1528-0500, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: > On 12/9/2013 2:56 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: > > 2) That's a shame. Every programmer can benefit from familiarity > with the hardware - write a test program using EXCP to read a > multi-volume tape, or use XDAP to read a multi-volume DASD data set

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
in based on PCI interrupts. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#6 "hexadecimal"? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#10 "hexadecimal"? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#12 "hexadecimal"? with the advent of virtual memory and EXCP no longer executing the

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Tony Harminc
On 9 December 2013 18:04, DASDBILL2 wrote: > My phrase "billions of CCWs" was assuming you already knew how to read a full > track with only one CCW. A fully > populated EAV can have 16 to the 7th power cylinders and each cylinder can > have 15 tracks. One Read Track CCW > (and not Read Multipl

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread DASDBILL2
ot; To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:41:21 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? "You would need a lot of real storage and billions of CCWs, but it's theoretically possible." You wouldn't need billions of CCWs, you could use the "READ

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Harry Wahl
hat Bill is suggesting is more than theoretical, it is quite common. Harry > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:30:17 + > From: dasdbi...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > In a command channel program, you can chain any number of CCWs t

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
Robinson Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. I just finished updating an old RYO program that writes 80 byte records to any device specified because I needed to test >32K blocks

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
no I/O errors. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#6 "hexadecimal"? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#10 "hexadecimal"? aka MVT thinking it ran real memory, EXCP could just tic to the passed channel program ... cp67&vm370 has to make a copy of the virtual ma

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread DASDBILL2
or. Bill Fairchild   - Original Message - From: "Gerhard Postpischil" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 11:53:52 AM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? On 12/9/2013 11:53 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > Bill, > I thought you could chain cc

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread John McKown
The only EXCP that I every wrote as at my first job. It read cards from an actual card reader and would do a "select output tray" (sorry don't remember actual terminology) based on whether the card in question passed initial validation testing. So that the "bad cards" could be gathered up and sent

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread DASDBILL2
SCH.  You would need a lot of real storage and billions of CCWs, but it's theoretically possible. Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: "Scott Ford" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 10:53:03 AM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? Bill,

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/9/2013 2:56 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: Not sure what's meant by having to chain CCWs. I just finished updating an old RYO program that writes 80 byte records to any device specified because I needed to test >32K blocks on tape. I merely added a DCBE with BLKSIZE=0 and pointed to it in the exi

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Skip Robinson
5 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: "Blaicher, Christopher Y." To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 12/09/2013 10:31 AM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Tape devices for BLKSIZE greater than

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
blaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gerhard Postpischil Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? On 12/9/2013 11:53 AM, Scott Ford wro

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard Postpischil) writes: > I think you misread his message, which started with command > chaining. But I would be interested in which control units and > controllers allow data chaining beyond 65KiB. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#6 hexadecimal note

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/9/2013 11:53 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Bill, I thought you could chain ccws I think you misread his message, which started with command chaining. But I would be interested in which control units and controllers allow data chaining beyond 65KiB. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont -

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Scott Ford
s in them). > > Bill Fairchild > Franklin, TN > > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul Gilmartin" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 8:25:50 PM > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > >> On Sun, 8 Dec 20

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Scott Ford
rk in voltages. > > Bill Fairchld > > Franklin, TN > > - Original Message - > > From: "Scott Ford" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:28:10 PM > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > > What do circuits work in

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread Scott Ford
ill Fairchld > > Franklin, TN > > - Original Message - > > From: "Scott Ford" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:28:10 PM > Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? > > What do circuits work in ... >

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread DASDBILL2
been able... etc. (since transfer mode channel programs have no CCWs in them).   Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: "Paul Gilmartin" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 8:25:50 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? On Sun,

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-09 Thread DASDBILL2
Everybody please quiesce the  road rage. Circuits work in voltages. Bill Fairchld Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: "Scott Ford" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:28:10 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? What

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/8/2013 3:54 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Circuits work with 1s and 0s and Assembler, Cobol, etc translate into machine code which is binary Computers, depending on architecture, have components that process signals in parallel. For example, the old I/O hardware sent 8-bits (plus parity) concur

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:01:20 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > >If the real requirement is that the parameter address must point to a >location containing what the PoOp describes as a half-word binary value, >then the manual should state precisely that. > Thanks for bringing this thread back to my origi

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Joel C. Ewing
stpischil > Bradford, Vermont Which perfectly makes the point that a manual which refers to this parameter value as "hexadecimal", while perhaps trivially true, is also uselessly imprecise. This should not be allowed in a well-edited manual. The z-Arch PoOp describes many, many data forma

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
dlc@gmail.com (David L. Craig) writes: > GINYF when it doesn't equate trinary with trenary, a term > I had forgotten (I'm really trying to avoid turning this > thread into a career). At least it wasn't just a rumor. > +1 and thanks for causing me to be reminded of Minerva-- > perhaps someday G

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec08:1717-0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:01:01 -0500, David L. Craig wrote: > > > >Boolean algebra is a mathematics based upon variables > >that can take on only two possible values. IIRC, the > >Soviets were rumored to have probed the attributes > >of trinary-state com

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
David, For one I am not trying to bust your chops as we say up here in the Northeast. But remember we are all products of school and experience. Because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But I have the experience of ppl making off the wall comments with no knowledge or experience

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec08:1449-0800, Scott Ford wrote: > I don't know what your profession is , but in 40+ > yrs and about 20+ shops, many in the NYC area and very > very aggressive with their applications, including > z/OS, VM and VSE , I never ever had to worry about it > ..Give me an example of such  a concer

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:01:01 -0500, David L. Craig wrote: > >Boolean algebra is a mathematics based upon variables >that can take on only two possible values. IIRC, the >Soviets were rumored to have probed the attributes >of trinary-state computing in the '60s or '70s and >discontinued the research

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec08:1647-0500, Scott Ford wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2013, at 4:39 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > > > > The system/360 and its mainframe successors are largely binary > > machines. In particular, addressing is entirely binary. They can, > > however, do both decimal

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
f your are dealing with IEEE hardware your results are likely to become problematic at some point.  At minimum, HFP documents a hexadecimal "kind of data" and I rest my case. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig_

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
ent CE can address. But this is an area that even the microcode could be ignorant of. A BAL programmer had better deal with what the POPs document. If you program HFP instructions as if your are dealing with IEEE hardware your results are likely to become problematic at some point. At minimum, H

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
addressing is entirely binary. They can, > however, do both decimal and hexadecimal arithmetic in some situations > too. > > All this can be reduced to boolean algebra and, finally, to assorted > configurations of NORs or NANDs: binary arithmetic can indeed be made > to disapp

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread John Gilmore
The system/360 and its mainframe successors are largely binary machines. In particular, addressing is entirely binary. They can, however, do both decimal and hexadecimal arithmetic in some situations too. All this can be reduced to boolean algebra and, finally, to assorted configurations of

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread John McKown
Ah, my mistake. Digital (binary) computers do deal in 0s and 1s. Analog computers did not, but that's all I know about them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
John, I agree but you can't compare apples and oranges ...right ? I don't know that much about Amdahl nor am I trying give the Gentleman a hard time. But hexadecimal, excuse me? Circuits work with 1s and 0s and Assembler, Cobol, etc translate into machine code which is binary .

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 10:55 -0800 on 12/08/2013, Warren Brown wrote about Re: "hexadecimal"?: So , hexadecimal is not the same EBCDIC ? Data in the computer is stored in 8-bit long bytes. Hex is a way of displaying the contents of the bytes as two characters representing the value of the first and

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Ed Finnell
Sleigh bells ring...We had an ol' V8 in the basement that only did SWIFT. It queued the requests until it got to a billion then would do the transfer. We'd get the float on the interim. Good solid revenue producer. Then one day it 'thermalled'. They had boxes and boxes of components trucked i

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread John McKown
Amdahl was the main architect of the S/360. So I guess we can mention him on occasion. On Dec 8, 2013 1:41 PM, "Scott Ford" wrote: > Btw this isn't a Amdahl forum, it's IBM... > > Scott ford > www.identityforge.com > from my IPAD > > 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > > > > On Dec 8, 2013

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Peter Sylvester
about the meaning of hexadecimal - HPF magnitude is the product of the significant and the radix powered to the exponent the significant is a sequence of bits the representation table in 9-6 shows what happens when you divide (1 - 0.5 - 1/64) the table does not use a hexadecimal

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
Btw this isn't a Amdahl forum, it's IBM... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > > Then suggest you don't come out guns blazing , unless they are loaded, > because you don't have a clue > > Sc

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
Then suggest you don't come out guns blazing , unless they are loaded, because you don't have a clue Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "David L. Craig" wrote: > >> On 13Dec08:1428-0500, Scott Ford wrote: >> >

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec08:1428-0500, Scott Ford wrote: > What do circuits work in ... Sigh... I suggest you discuss it with Gene Amdahl, not me. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ "So the universe is not quite as you thought

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
you should back to computer basics >> ...at machine level everything is binary >> >> Scott ford >> www.identityforge.com >> from my IPAD > > You, sir, are the one who needs to go back--specifically > to zPOPs page 9-3: > > : Hexadecimal-Floating-Point

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Dec08:1352-0500, Scott Ford wrote: > Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics > ...at machine level everything is binary > > Scott ford > www.identityforge.com > from my IPAD You, sir, are the one who needs to go back--specifically to zPOPs page 9-3: : Hexadeci

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
Circuits talk 1s and 0s ...not hex Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > > Hexadecimal is a readable system for binary, if the hex characters are not > numbers per se th

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
Hexadecimal is a readable system for binary, if the hex characters are not numbers per se they are EBCDIC...that's been since I wrote BAL on s360/20 Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:55 PM, W

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Warren Brown
So , hexadecimal is not the same EBCDIC ? From: David L. Craig To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: Re: "hexadecimal"? On 13Dec08:0942-0800, Charles Mills wrote: > It is a pet peeve of mine. People use &

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Scott Ford
of hex."). >> >> Hex is not a kind of data. It is a convenient way of >> representing data. X'F1' is a clearer image in most >> cases than 0001 or 241. All data is potentially >> hex; that is, is representable in hex. That's the >> bea

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread David L. Craig
ct to read this on this maining list. The original floating-point hardware of the S/360 architecture is hexadecimal, not binary. A normalized value may have up to three leading binary zeros as a consequence. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig___

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/8/2013 12:52 PM, John McKown wrote: Agree. I have not checked, but will bat this is really a full word integer binary number. Minor nit - DD= specifies a halfword. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread John Gilmore
Charles Mills wrote | Hex is not a kind of data. and I think we all sympathize with the point he is making. There is, however, some real hexadecimal data around, beginning with its use in IBM 7090 channel programming. For the System/360 and its sequelæ the exponent of an HFP number is

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread John McKown
is > potentially hex; that is, is representable in hex. That's the beauty of hex. > > Charles > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:53 PM > To: IBM-M

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-08 Thread Charles Mills
On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: "hexadecimal"? From: Title: z/OS V1R13.0 DFSMSdfp Advanced Services Document Number: SC26-7400-14 ... that I was reading lately: 7.5.3.1 TRKCALC--Standard Form

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-07 Thread John Gilmore
This is quite usual. It is an early example of a generic facility. Thus, for example, the HLASM bif BYTE can be used to obtain a nul character by coding either of |&nul setc BYTE(x'00')--nul character or |&nul setc BYTE(0) --nul character and conjecturally bu

Re: "hexadecimal"?

2013-12-07 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 16:53 -0600 on 12/07/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about "hexadecimal"?: From: Title: z/OS V1R13.0 DFSMSdfp Advanced Services Document Number: SC26-7400-14 ... that I was reading lately: 7.5.3.1 TRKCALC--Standard Form ... DD=addr--RX-type address, (2-12)

"hexadecimal"?

2013-12-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
hexadecimal value of the record's data length, ... Hexadecimal!? Does this mean the value must be coded as hexadecimal display, e.g. C'50' to indicate 80? Or must it be coded as a hexadecimal self-defining term (X'50')? Why not a decimal self-defining term (80)?